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You don't realize it, but all this toxicity is mainly an anglo thing. I regularly spend time around spanish, portuguese and some french internet and it's quite

You don't realize it, but all this toxicity is mainly an anglo thing. I regularly spend time around spanish, portuguese and some french internet and it's quite different. When there's such drama, participants even use english words to describe this phenomena. It's a clear anglo cultural artifact that spilled over due to US cultural hegemony.

AgentME 6y ago
This is an english forum connected to a California venture firm that frequently discusses American tech companies and their workplaces, so of course you're going to find conversations about things relevant to that here. I find it weird to see this when I rarely see comments so strongly arguing that a subject is too US-centric for HN in threads about stuff like the San Francisco housing market, American workplaces, or other aspects of online sites.
- iagovar 6y ago
  I was just providing explanation, not that I agree that there can't be US-centric discussions in Reddit.
creato 6y ago
The words "macho" and "machismo" come from Portuguese. I've been told that Latino South and Central American machismo culture is very toxic compared "even" to US standards. But then again, I didn't really put much stock in vague generalizations like this, or yours.
- ric2b 6y ago
  Don't they come from Spanish, since most of South America was colonized by Spain and the words also exist and are more commonly used in Spanish? Regardless, point taken, it's not a US-centric problem.
gtf21 6y ago
I think there's considerable evidence just from reading the news that Hispanophone, Lusophone, and Francophone countries are _far_ from free of misogyny, racism, homophobia, and transphobia. I don't think hate speech is somehow limited to Anglophone countries, and it would be extremely disingenuous to claim it is.
- iagovar 6y ago
  I don't have the same impression. The issues are there, but there's much less tension and conflict. If you read news, you're mostly reading activists though.
  - gtf21 6y ago
    Some counterexamples: 1. Argentina has one of the highest femicide rates in the world. 2. Brazil elected Bolsonaro, who spends a lot of time spouting homophobic / misogynistic things. 3. France nearly elected Marine LePen last time around. I'm not sure how one can pretend that only Anglophone countries have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism.
    - pwinnski 6y ago
      > I'm not sure how one can pretend that only Anglophone countries have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism. The same way that people in Anglophone countries pretend that they don't have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism: by being on the safe side of those issues! Straight men in the ethnic majority are very easily, even naturally, unaware of any tension or issues, and find it easy to dismiss people highlighting the experiences of others as "activism."
    - iagovar 6y ago
      I'm not saying that only the anglophone world has this issues. I don't know why you guys keep hammering it. It's not about the numbers, it's about relevance and how it's approached. Argentina has a lot of issues, and women getting murdered is not of particular relevance among the high level of crime, the high level of corruption and the extremely difficult financial situation of argentinians, who can't even save money reasonably in their local currency, which may be a given for US, but it's a living hell for them. In facto, inflation is consistently the first problem for most argentinians in most polls. Argentinians don't need to talk about BLM, because it's not relevant to them. Women in tech is probably one of the least problems for them. Energy and time are precious resources, and they need to be focused on important issues. I think some of you guys just haven't got the empathy to imagine a different setting than your current one. Just being able to put money in a bank and forgetting about it is a luxury some people can't afford.

AgentME 6y ago

This is an english forum connected to a California venture firm that frequently discusses American tech companies and their workplaces, so of course you're going to find conversations about things relevant to that here. I find it weird to see this when I rarely see comments so strongly arguing that a subject is too US-centric for HN in threads about stuff like the San Francisco housing market, American workplaces, or other aspects of online sites.

iagovar 6y ago
I was just providing explanation, not that I agree that there can't be US-centric discussions in Reddit.

creato 6y ago

The words "macho" and "machismo" come from Portuguese. I've been told that Latino South and Central American machismo culture is very toxic compared "even" to US standards. But then again, I didn't really put much stock in vague generalizations like this, or yours.

ric2b 6y ago
Don't they come from Spanish, since most of South America was colonized by Spain and the words also exist and are more commonly used in Spanish? Regardless, point taken, it's not a US-centric problem.

gtf21 6y ago

I think there's considerable evidence just from reading the news that Hispanophone, Lusophone, and Francophone countries are _far_ from free of misogyny, racism, homophobia, and transphobia. I don't think hate speech is somehow limited to Anglophone countries, and it would be extremely disingenuous to claim it is.

iagovar 6y ago
I don't have the same impression. The issues are there, but there's much less tension and conflict. If you read news, you're mostly reading activists though.
- gtf21 6y ago
  Some counterexamples: 1. Argentina has one of the highest femicide rates in the world. 2. Brazil elected Bolsonaro, who spends a lot of time spouting homophobic / misogynistic things. 3. France nearly elected Marine LePen last time around. I'm not sure how one can pretend that only Anglophone countries have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism.
  - pwinnski 6y ago
    > I'm not sure how one can pretend that only Anglophone countries have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism. The same way that people in Anglophone countries pretend that they don't have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism: by being on the safe side of those issues! Straight men in the ethnic majority are very easily, even naturally, unaware of any tension or issues, and find it easy to dismiss people highlighting the experiences of others as "activism."
  - iagovar 6y ago
    I'm not saying that only the anglophone world has this issues. I don't know why you guys keep hammering it. It's not about the numbers, it's about relevance and how it's approached. Argentina has a lot of issues, and women getting murdered is not of particular relevance among the high level of crime, the high level of corruption and the extremely difficult financial situation of argentinians, who can't even save money reasonably in their local currency, which may be a given for US, but it's a living hell for them. In facto, inflation is consistently the first problem for most argentinians in most polls. Argentinians don't need to talk about BLM, because it's not relevant to them. Women in tech is probably one of the least problems for them. Energy and time are precious resources, and they need to be focused on important issues. I think some of you guys just haven't got the empathy to imagine a different setting than your current one. Just being able to put money in a bank and forgetting about it is a luxury some people can't afford.