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It's insecurity. I browse /g/ sometimes and while there's some very talented and interesting engineers there, there's also a lot of people who are trying to get

by DC-3 6y ago

It's insecurity. I browse /g/ sometimes and while there's some very talented and interesting engineers there, there's also a lot of people who are trying to get into programming because it's the path of least resistance for a socially awkward young white guy who spends 18 hours a day on a computer. I think these vitriolic threads mostly involve this latter group of users. Unfortunately not everyone is disposed towards becoming a good programmer and these guys don't tend to have the best study skills or work ethic anyway, so they often struggle to acquire the skills that they believe are their only way of finding success in life. This causes them to lash out with great ferocity at people who are both technologically able and socially graceful - especially women and non-white people. It infuriates them that these normies with friendship groups and romantic partners and progressive political views are able to do the things that they are inclined to believe are the sole preserve of the lonely basement dwelling nerd, and do those things much better than they can. So they convince themselves that when a non-white woman gets hired in tech it's all the fault of the (((diversity thought police))) and that she's actually a technological incompetent, because to believe otherwise would shatter their world view and force them to come to terms with their own mediocrity.

nix23 6y ago
>young white guy who You see what your doing here right?
- DC-3 6y ago
  No, not really? I'm pretty sure 4chan is overwhelmingly young white guys. I think that's common knowledge.
  - nix23 6y ago
    >https://www.tinykat.cafe/static/b7462864208b987ab4889dcf7a278076/07a9c/screenshots-asian-slurs2.png https://www.tinykat.cafe/static/b7462864208b987ab4889dcf7a27... >This one in particular stood out to me because it's a very specific type of harassment I've received my whole life, usually from East Asians. Maybe call your commonsense prejudice?
    - DC-3 6y ago
      To be honest, knowing what I know about 4chan, I would guess that's a white weeb. Of course, it could be a 16 year old girl from Osaka, but to a first order approximation literally everyone on /g/ is a white guy.
      - nix23 6y ago
        Maybe, but if you fix your comments on skin color your are as racist as those peoples. Even she makes that error, attributes a comment to East Asian and later call it White Supremacy, the most extreme racism i saw in the past was in Africa, second India third Russia.
      - Welmerts 6y ago
        Seeing as she keeps mentioning how she thinks they're Asian men while apparently linking some of them to their real identities through GitHub, well, I don't think it's that hard to put 1 and 1 together in this case.
  - postsantum 6y ago
    Seems pretty diverse https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/7qt0h5/4chan_pol_meetup_2017/ https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/7qt0h5/4chan_pol_mee...
    - DC-3 6y ago
      /pol/ and /g/ have very different board cultures. Actually, /pol/ and literally any other board have very different board cultures.
watwut 6y ago
I have seen super toxic dude who also was pretty good at programming. (All his failures were social non-technical.) Being talented does not guarantee non toxicity. His ideology was atrocious. (He was actually physically violent to all his girlfriends and build worldview where he was the good one.)
- DC-3 6y ago
  I don't deny that such people exist. There's always outliers. But those who are gifted and capable are not usually as inclined towards hate as those who are not.
  - onion2k 6y ago
    But those who are gifted and capable are not usually as inclined towards hate as those who are not. They are. They just hate different groups. People with low cognitive ability tend to hate groups based on things like sexuality or race. People with higher cognitive ability hate others based on the choices they make such as which political party someone supports. Hate features universally across the spectrum of intelligence. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qwwzp/who-you-hate-depends-on-how-smart-you-are-study-finds https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qwwzp/who-you-hate-depen...
  - pwinnski 6y ago
    What do you base this on? Your hopes and wishes? It takes very few nasty harassers to harass the vast majority of "targets," since harassment is not a 1:1 activity. In my anecdotal experience, the most gifted and capable end up with the poorest socialization from early on in life, and are therefore more likely than average to either not understand the profound negative effects of things they say, or to not care.
  - ThrowawayR2 6y ago
    > "But those who are gifted and capable are not usually as inclined towards hate as those who are not." I have some passing familiarity with academia and with FAANG companies. Try doing something something that risks a professor getting publications/tenure or risks an FAANG employee their next bonus/promotion and you'll find out rather jarringly why that belief is pure fantasy.
b0rsuk 6y ago
You're employing the tactic of "poisoning the well", which is a pre-emptive personal attack. Many programmers are introverts, and you calling them antisocial basement dwelling nerds is just a hostile stereotype. There is no way extroverts are inherently better than introverts. I don't like the false dichotomy you're implying. Also, making people "guilty" by association. Also, dehumanizing while taking high moral ground. Downvoting you, and I'm saying this openly because I despise cowardly anonymous ostracism present on sites like this. Sometimes I wish all downvoting was done with stating the reason. There were civil ways you could have described these behaviors, but you didn't. For example covert narcissisim, passive aggressive. I have some covert narcissist traits, but at least I'm trying.
- DC-3 6y ago
  I didn't mention introversion and I didn't imply all introverts are antisocial basement dwelling nerds. I'm just describing a particular class of /g/ users and the attitudes they hold.
- stubtoe 6y ago
  Wow. So much projection here.
thatcat 6y ago
They’re bitter unemployed men of many ages and races who are not marketable and feel they will be excluded from society regardless of any technical proficiency they have or could hope to gain.
- stubtoe 6y ago
  And with the attitudes they hold, it becomes self fulfilling. Just pathetic.

by DC-3 6y ago

nix23 6y ago

>young white guy who You see what your doing here right?

DC-3 6y ago
No, not really? I'm pretty sure 4chan is overwhelmingly young white guys. I think that's common knowledge.
- nix23 6y ago
  >https://www.tinykat.cafe/static/b7462864208b987ab4889dcf7a278076/07a9c/screenshots-asian-slurs2.png https://www.tinykat.cafe/static/b7462864208b987ab4889dcf7a27... >This one in particular stood out to me because it's a very specific type of harassment I've received my whole life, usually from East Asians. Maybe call your commonsense prejudice?
  - DC-3 6y ago
    To be honest, knowing what I know about 4chan, I would guess that's a white weeb. Of course, it could be a 16 year old girl from Osaka, but to a first order approximation literally everyone on /g/ is a white guy.
    - nix23 6y ago
      Maybe, but if you fix your comments on skin color your are as racist as those peoples. Even she makes that error, attributes a comment to East Asian and later call it White Supremacy, the most extreme racism i saw in the past was in Africa, second India third Russia.
    - Welmerts 6y ago
      Seeing as she keeps mentioning how she thinks they're Asian men while apparently linking some of them to their real identities through GitHub, well, I don't think it's that hard to put 1 and 1 together in this case.
- postsantum 6y ago
  Seems pretty diverse https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/7qt0h5/4chan_pol_meetup_2017/ https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/7qt0h5/4chan_pol_mee...
  - DC-3 6y ago
    /pol/ and /g/ have very different board cultures. Actually, /pol/ and literally any other board have very different board cultures.

watwut 6y ago

I have seen super toxic dude who also was pretty good at programming. (All his failures were social non-technical.) Being talented does not guarantee non toxicity. His ideology was atrocious. (He was actually physically violent to all his girlfriends and build worldview where he was the good one.)

DC-3 6y ago
I don't deny that such people exist. There's always outliers. But those who are gifted and capable are not usually as inclined towards hate as those who are not.
- onion2k 6y ago
  But those who are gifted and capable are not usually as inclined towards hate as those who are not. They are. They just hate different groups. People with low cognitive ability tend to hate groups based on things like sexuality or race. People with higher cognitive ability hate others based on the choices they make such as which political party someone supports. Hate features universally across the spectrum of intelligence. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qwwzp/who-you-hate-depends-on-how-smart-you-are-study-finds https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qwwzp/who-you-hate-depen...
- pwinnski 6y ago
  What do you base this on? Your hopes and wishes? It takes very few nasty harassers to harass the vast majority of "targets," since harassment is not a 1:1 activity. In my anecdotal experience, the most gifted and capable end up with the poorest socialization from early on in life, and are therefore more likely than average to either not understand the profound negative effects of things they say, or to not care.
- ThrowawayR2 6y ago
  > "But those who are gifted and capable are not usually as inclined towards hate as those who are not." I have some passing familiarity with academia and with FAANG companies. Try doing something something that risks a professor getting publications/tenure or risks an FAANG employee their next bonus/promotion and you'll find out rather jarringly why that belief is pure fantasy.

b0rsuk 6y ago

You're employing the tactic of "poisoning the well", which is a pre-emptive personal attack. Many programmers are introverts, and you calling them antisocial basement dwelling nerds is just a hostile stereotype. There is no way extroverts are inherently better than introverts. I don't like the false dichotomy you're implying. Also, making people "guilty" by association. Also, dehumanizing while taking high moral ground. Downvoting you, and I'm saying this openly because I despise cowardly anonymous ostracism present on sites like this. Sometimes I wish all downvoting was done with stating the reason. There were civil ways you could have described these behaviors, but you didn't. For example covert narcissisim, passive aggressive. I have some covert narcissist traits, but at least I'm trying.

DC-3 6y ago
I didn't mention introversion and I didn't imply all introverts are antisocial basement dwelling nerds. I'm just describing a particular class of /g/ users and the attitudes they hold.
stubtoe 6y ago
Wow. So much projection here.

thatcat 6y ago

They’re bitter unemployed men of many ages and races who are not marketable and feel they will be excluded from society regardless of any technical proficiency they have or could hope to gain.

stubtoe 6y ago
And with the attitudes they hold, it becomes self fulfilling. Just pathetic.