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How is this post flagged.

praptak 6y ago
Out of sight, out of mind? (I hope it's not because enough HN users agree with the haters)
KKPMW 6y ago
I am glad it was flagged. People are mainly talking about US politics here. And look at the discussion. Every different opinion is downvoted and dead.
- justusw 6y ago
  How is gender bias, discrimination and online harassment US politics? Can you point out something in this discussion to me that gives you the impression that this is mainly about US politics? Because I was not under that impression at all.
  - iagovar 6y ago
    You don't realize it, but all this toxicity is mainly an anglo thing. I regularly spend time around spanish, portuguese and some french internet and it's quite different. When there's such drama, participants even use english words to describe this phenomena. It's a clear anglo cultural artifact that spilled over due to US cultural hegemony.
    - AgentME 6y ago
      This is an english forum connected to a California venture firm that frequently discusses American tech companies and their workplaces, so of course you're going to find conversations about things relevant to that here. I find it weird to see this when I rarely see comments so strongly arguing that a subject is too US-centric for HN in threads about stuff like the San Francisco housing market, American workplaces, or other aspects of online sites.
      - iagovar 6y ago
        I was just providing explanation, not that I agree that there can't be US-centric discussions in Reddit.
    - creato 6y ago
      The words "macho" and "machismo" come from Portuguese. I've been told that Latino South and Central American machismo culture is very toxic compared "even" to US standards. But then again, I didn't really put much stock in vague generalizations like this, or yours.
      - ric2b 6y ago
        Don't they come from Spanish, since most of South America was colonized by Spain and the words also exist and are more commonly used in Spanish? Regardless, point taken, it's not a US-centric problem.
    - gtf21 6y ago
      I think there's considerable evidence just from reading the news that Hispanophone, Lusophone, and Francophone countries are _far_ from free of misogyny, racism, homophobia, and transphobia. I don't think hate speech is somehow limited to Anglophone countries, and it would be extremely disingenuous to claim it is.
      - iagovar 6y ago
        I don't have the same impression. The issues are there, but there's much less tension and conflict. If you read news, you're mostly reading activists though.
        gtf21 6y ago
        Some counterexamples: 1. Argentina has one of the highest femicide rates in the world. 2. Brazil elected Bolsonaro, who spends a lot of time spouting homophobic / misogynistic things. 3. France nearly elected Marine LePen last time around. I'm not sure how one can pretend that only Anglophone countries have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism.
        pwinnski 6y ago
        > I'm not sure how one can pretend that only Anglophone countries have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism. The same way that people in Anglophone countries pretend that they don't have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism: by being on the safe side of those issues! Straight men in the ethnic majority are very easily, even naturally, unaware of any tension or issues, and find it easy to dismiss people highlighting the experiences of others as "activism."
        iagovar 6y ago
        I'm not saying that only the anglophone world has this issues. I don't know why you guys keep hammering it. It's not about the numbers, it's about relevance and how it's approached. Argentina has a lot of issues, and women getting murdered is not of particular relevance among the high level of crime, the high level of corruption and the extremely difficult financial situation of argentinians, who can't even save money reasonably in their local currency, which may be a given for US, but it's a living hell for them. In facto, inflation is consistently the first problem for most argentinians in most polls. Argentinians don't need to talk about BLM, because it's not relevant to them. Women in tech is probably one of the least problems for them. Energy and time are precious resources, and they need to be focused on important issues. I think some of you guys just haven't got the empathy to imagine a different setting than your current one. Just being able to put money in a bank and forgetting about it is a luxury some people can't afford.
  - KKPMW 6y ago
    All of those harassments and trolling mainly happens as a back and forth between two streams of culture within the USA. And typically revolves around the topics of: "Black lives matter", "Racism", "Sexism in tech", "Transphobia" - all these things are internal US politics stuff. From the perspective of where I live (Eastern Europe): "Black lives matter" - We have very few black people living here. And very few problems with police in general. When something bad happens it typically happens to the police, not by the police. "Racism" - we have no history of slavery nor racism, except being subjected to it. Even more - originally the word "slave" was derived from the word "slav". "Sexism in tech" - there is no sexism in tech here. Tech is not even a prestigious field. People want to work in law, medicine and finance. Some can even be quite ashamed to admit they work in a technical field. "Transphobia" - even such things as thinking about "sex" and "gender" as different concepts are quite US specific. i.e. where I live we typically refer to people by their sex, and don't even have a term for a separate concept like gender. Yet these things are so pervasive on the internet. People even post their pronouns on twitter and (in this case) fill their GitHub profiles with that stuff. They can do it of course, it might even be a good thing to do. But I do not think this deserves a front page of HN. Hence why I am glad it was flagged.
    - AgentME 6y ago
      The article isn't about her politics, it's about the harassment she got.
    - justusw 6y ago
      To claim that any of the points that you have mentioned are merely political is absurd. Words themselves are apolitical, and to say "that's racist/sexist/etc.", is merely an observation, and does not represent a political opinion. The author of the article is not trying to promote a political agenda, asking you to support "cause A" or "cause B", they are merely trying to document a traumatizing experience that they have had. And even if it was US politics? A large chunk of HN users are from the US. And as you have given me your political opinion about transphobia being "US specific", so does the author of the article claim "This thing happened. That's bad."
    - eesmith 6y ago
monkin 6y ago
That was fast and this is the part of the problem.
justusw 6y ago
How can a post get unflagged? I think more people should see this. I wasn't aware that GitHub was used in such a toxic way and I'm absolutely shocked. The fact that this article was marked flagged after 20 minutes sort of confirms the point of the article's author.
shmageggy 6y ago
Probably targeted by the subjects of this post. @dang is it possible to get this unflagged? This stuff is important for us to see.
AgentME 6y ago
I'm really disappointed to see it flagged, because this is a real issue in the tech industry and its online spaces. Especially with the widespread moves to work-from-home, it's extremely important that we have online spaces that are better than this.
dang 6y ago
Users flagged it. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html What does [flagged] mean? It means that users flagged a post as breaking the guidelines or otherwise not belonging on Hacker News. Moderators sometimes add [flagged] for the same reasons, and sometimes turn flags off when they are unfair.

Out of sight, out of mind? (I hope it's not because enough HN users agree with the haters)

I am glad it was flagged. People are mainly talking about US politics here. And look at the discussion. Every different opinion is downvoted and dead.

justusw 6y ago
How is gender bias, discrimination and online harassment US politics? Can you point out something in this discussion to me that gives you the impression that this is mainly about US politics? Because I was not under that impression at all.
- iagovar 6y ago
  You don't realize it, but all this toxicity is mainly an anglo thing. I regularly spend time around spanish, portuguese and some french internet and it's quite different. When there's such drama, participants even use english words to describe this phenomena. It's a clear anglo cultural artifact that spilled over due to US cultural hegemony.
  - AgentME 6y ago
    This is an english forum connected to a California venture firm that frequently discusses American tech companies and their workplaces, so of course you're going to find conversations about things relevant to that here. I find it weird to see this when I rarely see comments so strongly arguing that a subject is too US-centric for HN in threads about stuff like the San Francisco housing market, American workplaces, or other aspects of online sites.
    - iagovar 6y ago
      I was just providing explanation, not that I agree that there can't be US-centric discussions in Reddit.
  - creato 6y ago
    The words "macho" and "machismo" come from Portuguese. I've been told that Latino South and Central American machismo culture is very toxic compared "even" to US standards. But then again, I didn't really put much stock in vague generalizations like this, or yours.
    - ric2b 6y ago
      Don't they come from Spanish, since most of South America was colonized by Spain and the words also exist and are more commonly used in Spanish? Regardless, point taken, it's not a US-centric problem.
  - gtf21 6y ago
    I think there's considerable evidence just from reading the news that Hispanophone, Lusophone, and Francophone countries are _far_ from free of misogyny, racism, homophobia, and transphobia. I don't think hate speech is somehow limited to Anglophone countries, and it would be extremely disingenuous to claim it is.
    - iagovar 6y ago
      I don't have the same impression. The issues are there, but there's much less tension and conflict. If you read news, you're mostly reading activists though.
      - gtf21 6y ago
        Some counterexamples: 1. Argentina has one of the highest femicide rates in the world. 2. Brazil elected Bolsonaro, who spends a lot of time spouting homophobic / misogynistic things. 3. France nearly elected Marine LePen last time around. I'm not sure how one can pretend that only Anglophone countries have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism.
        pwinnski 6y ago
        > I'm not sure how one can pretend that only Anglophone countries have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism. The same way that people in Anglophone countries pretend that they don't have issues with misogyny, homophobia, and racism: by being on the safe side of those issues! Straight men in the ethnic majority are very easily, even naturally, unaware of any tension or issues, and find it easy to dismiss people highlighting the experiences of others as "activism."
        iagovar 6y ago
        I'm not saying that only the anglophone world has this issues. I don't know why you guys keep hammering it. It's not about the numbers, it's about relevance and how it's approached. Argentina has a lot of issues, and women getting murdered is not of particular relevance among the high level of crime, the high level of corruption and the extremely difficult financial situation of argentinians, who can't even save money reasonably in their local currency, which may be a given for US, but it's a living hell for them. In facto, inflation is consistently the first problem for most argentinians in most polls. Argentinians don't need to talk about BLM, because it's not relevant to them. Women in tech is probably one of the least problems for them. Energy and time are precious resources, and they need to be focused on important issues. I think some of you guys just haven't got the empathy to imagine a different setting than your current one. Just being able to put money in a bank and forgetting about it is a luxury some people can't afford.
- KKPMW 6y ago
  All of those harassments and trolling mainly happens as a back and forth between two streams of culture within the USA. And typically revolves around the topics of: "Black lives matter", "Racism", "Sexism in tech", "Transphobia" - all these things are internal US politics stuff. From the perspective of where I live (Eastern Europe): "Black lives matter" - We have very few black people living here. And very few problems with police in general. When something bad happens it typically happens to the police, not by the police. "Racism" - we have no history of slavery nor racism, except being subjected to it. Even more - originally the word "slave" was derived from the word "slav". "Sexism in tech" - there is no sexism in tech here. Tech is not even a prestigious field. People want to work in law, medicine and finance. Some can even be quite ashamed to admit they work in a technical field. "Transphobia" - even such things as thinking about "sex" and "gender" as different concepts are quite US specific. i.e. where I live we typically refer to people by their sex, and don't even have a term for a separate concept like gender. Yet these things are so pervasive on the internet. People even post their pronouns on twitter and (in this case) fill their GitHub profiles with that stuff. They can do it of course, it might even be a good thing to do. But I do not think this deserves a front page of HN. Hence why I am glad it was flagged.
  - AgentME 6y ago
    The article isn't about her politics, it's about the harassment she got.
  - justusw 6y ago
    To claim that any of the points that you have mentioned are merely political is absurd. Words themselves are apolitical, and to say "that's racist/sexist/etc.", is merely an observation, and does not represent a political opinion. The author of the article is not trying to promote a political agenda, asking you to support "cause A" or "cause B", they are merely trying to document a traumatizing experience that they have had. And even if it was US politics? A large chunk of HN users are from the US. And as you have given me your political opinion about transphobia being "US specific", so does the author of the article claim "This thing happened. That's bad."
  - eesmith 6y ago

monkin 6y ago

That was fast and this is the part of the problem.

justusw 6y ago

How can a post get unflagged? I think more people should see this. I wasn't aware that GitHub was used in such a toxic way and I'm absolutely shocked. The fact that this article was marked flagged after 20 minutes sort of confirms the point of the article's author.

shmageggy 6y ago

Probably targeted by the subjects of this post. @dang is it possible to get this unflagged? This stuff is important for us to see.

AgentME 6y ago

I'm really disappointed to see it flagged, because this is a real issue in the tech industry and its online spaces. Especially with the widespread moves to work-from-home, it's extremely important that we have online spaces that are better than this.

dang 6y ago

Users flagged it. This is in the FAQ: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html What does [flagged] mean? It means that users flagged a post as breaking the guidelines or otherwise not belonging on Hacker News. Moderators sometimes add [flagged] for the same reasons, and sometimes turn flags off when they are unfair.