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There are an awful lot of people who believe that Rittenhouse shot in self-defence, fearing for his life, as a part of a militia trying to defend their communit

There are an awful lot of people who believe that Rittenhouse shot in self-defence, fearing for his life, as a part of a militia trying to defend their community against burning and looting and rioting, which is not an unreasonable thing to want to do after months of this activity across the USA. Expecting Facebook to have a role in policing this is just silly, it's armchair politics at its finest. Even if Facebook didn't exist, these people would have gotten together to defend their city. The solution here isn't to stop people from defending their city, it's to stop people from crossing state lines to terrorize communities for the actions of police officers, especially when there's a grey area as to the illegality of the policing action. Media companies that pretend otherwise are throwing fuel on the fire by covering for the mob. Do they hope they'll be spared? The number of burnt businesses with BLM signs on the front in Kenosha should be a pretty good indication that you can't prostrate yourself before the mob and assume that it will result in your property being spared.

alex_young 6y ago
> There are an awful lot of people who believe that Rittenhouse shot in self-defence Self defense after running into an unarmed crowd swinging around a rifle? I'm not going to say he's guilty just yet, but the police charged him with first-degree intentional homicide. I think it's fair to say the people who believe it was self defense have a lot of explaining to do given the facts as we know them.
- core-questions 6y ago
  > Self defense after running into an unarmed crowd swinging around a rifle? I'm not a judge, I'm not a lawyer, I'm just telling you a lot of people are mad about this. Apparently a Molotov was thrown at him (have not seen this), and in the video I did see, he was on the ground about to have his face stomped in when he shot. There's an argument for self-defense there; it'll be up to a court to decide, but for now, it's not clear that these murder charges are going to hold up.
  - ideals 6y ago
    He isn't old enough to carry a firearm so by open carrying the weapon he already committed a felony. By crossing from Illinois into Wisconsin with a firearm he was not legally allowed to carry he committed a felon. Self defense is not likely a position which will apply here.
  - rvz 6y ago
    > Apparently a Molotov was thrown at him (have not seen this) It was not a Molotov Cocktail, just a "bag full of objects". [0] [0] https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1598469457324.jpg https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1598469457324.jpg
octonion 6y ago
Rittenhouse is from Illinois. How was he "defending his community" in Wisconsin?
- reducesuffering 6y ago
  He lived in Antioch, IL, which is on the border. 30 minutes from Kenosha, which appears to be the largest town within 30 minutes of Antioch, while Chicago IL is 1 hour away. I think the framing of Illinois to Wisconsin is meant to imply it's a huge trek and he's a total outsider, which is a bit disingenuous.
  - octonion 6y ago
    So, you're saying your "community" is everything within a 30 mile radius? That's 30^2*pi = 2800 square miles of "community". He grabbed an AR-15, drove across state lines and murdered two people. Well, three people, as his life is over. And I'm sure his family and the families of his victims aren't doing too well, either.
    - holtkam2 6y ago
      I grew up in Antioch and am here now. No one here considers Kenosha to be “our community” despite it being a short drive. Let’s be real, the kid had no real reason to be there unless he was looking for trouble
      - core-questions 6y ago
        But the rioters from across state lines did have a reason?

alex_young 6y ago

> There are an awful lot of people who believe that Rittenhouse shot in self-defence Self defense after running into an unarmed crowd swinging around a rifle? I'm not going to say he's guilty just yet, but the police charged him with first-degree intentional homicide. I think it's fair to say the people who believe it was self defense have a lot of explaining to do given the facts as we know them.

core-questions 6y ago
> Self defense after running into an unarmed crowd swinging around a rifle? I'm not a judge, I'm not a lawyer, I'm just telling you a lot of people are mad about this. Apparently a Molotov was thrown at him (have not seen this), and in the video I did see, he was on the ground about to have his face stomped in when he shot. There's an argument for self-defense there; it'll be up to a court to decide, but for now, it's not clear that these murder charges are going to hold up.
- ideals 6y ago
  He isn't old enough to carry a firearm so by open carrying the weapon he already committed a felony. By crossing from Illinois into Wisconsin with a firearm he was not legally allowed to carry he committed a felon. Self defense is not likely a position which will apply here.
- rvz 6y ago
  > Apparently a Molotov was thrown at him (have not seen this) It was not a Molotov Cocktail, just a "bag full of objects". [0] [0] https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1598469457324.jpg https://is2.4chan.org/pol/1598469457324.jpg

octonion 6y ago

Rittenhouse is from Illinois. How was he "defending his community" in Wisconsin?

reducesuffering 6y ago
He lived in Antioch, IL, which is on the border. 30 minutes from Kenosha, which appears to be the largest town within 30 minutes of Antioch, while Chicago IL is 1 hour away. I think the framing of Illinois to Wisconsin is meant to imply it's a huge trek and he's a total outsider, which is a bit disingenuous.
- octonion 6y ago
  So, you're saying your "community" is everything within a 30 mile radius? That's 30^2*pi = 2800 square miles of "community". He grabbed an AR-15, drove across state lines and murdered two people. Well, three people, as his life is over. And I'm sure his family and the families of his victims aren't doing too well, either.
  - holtkam2 6y ago
    I grew up in Antioch and am here now. No one here considers Kenosha to be “our community” despite it being a short drive. Let’s be real, the kid had no real reason to be there unless he was looking for trouble
    - core-questions 6y ago
      But the rioters from across state lines did have a reason?