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So what do you make of jazz, hip hop or punk rock? Those are full of social criticism, and also seem to reinforce the idea of free expression under capitalism.

So what do you make of jazz, hip hop or punk rock? Those are full of social criticism, and also seem to reinforce the idea of free expression under capitalism. And there are lots of visual artists and dancers and writers too. I'm looking at the VOA music stream [0] and it seems to be full of free speech of all kinds. It might be fair to say that Jackson Pollock is too apolitical {for our times,to be taken seriously,for you}, but I personally don't see the conspiracy you're laying out here. [0] https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkGTvcz3OuuoOGWctHo5veA https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkGTvcz3OuuoOGWctHo5veA

monadic2 6y ago
This is willfully overlooking the many, many, many, many critiques of capitalism you can see under hip-hop and punk. Tupac was a card-carrying communist. Hopefully you're well aware of the relationship between the Dead Kennedys and capitalist society. I nearly die from the irony every time I see an F-150 with a "thin blue line" sticker blasting "Killing In The Name Of", which is unfortunately quite a lot where I live.
whatshisface 6y ago
"Establishment funding sources dry up when the artists they're supporting develop an anti-establishment message" is hardly a conspiracy theory. It might be true or false, but it's not a conspiracy theory, that's the wrong concept to associate with it.
- monoideism 6y ago
  It definitely could be a conspiracy theory, if the allegation is that funders are conspiring together to exclude artists who are too political (and if the allegation is false). But it may be true, and not a conspiracy theory. I've no idea. I've never looked into the issue.
  - jacobr1 6y ago
    No, if the allegation is true, it still would be a conspiracy. The key factor is the secrecy, not the reality of the situation. If it is provably true, that moves it out of the realm of a theory to history, but it would be a conspiracy regardless. But if done openly per the OP, then we aren't talking about a conspiracy at all, just politics!
brudgers 6y ago
Ironically, the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities investigated Advancing American Art exhibit looking for a leftist conspiracy. Or to put it another way there is no rationale for proposing a government conspiracy. It was ordinary government operations described in newspapers and magazines of the day and documented in the Congressional Record and the National Archives.

monadic2 6y ago

This is willfully overlooking the many, many, many, many critiques of capitalism you can see under hip-hop and punk. Tupac was a card-carrying communist. Hopefully you're well aware of the relationship between the Dead Kennedys and capitalist society. I nearly die from the irony every time I see an F-150 with a "thin blue line" sticker blasting "Killing In The Name Of", which is unfortunately quite a lot where I live.

whatshisface 6y ago

"Establishment funding sources dry up when the artists they're supporting develop an anti-establishment message" is hardly a conspiracy theory. It might be true or false, but it's not a conspiracy theory, that's the wrong concept to associate with it.

monoideism 6y ago
It definitely could be a conspiracy theory, if the allegation is that funders are conspiring together to exclude artists who are too political (and if the allegation is false). But it may be true, and not a conspiracy theory. I've no idea. I've never looked into the issue.
- jacobr1 6y ago
  No, if the allegation is true, it still would be a conspiracy. The key factor is the secrecy, not the reality of the situation. If it is provably true, that moves it out of the realm of a theory to history, but it would be a conspiracy regardless. But if done openly per the OP, then we aren't talking about a conspiracy at all, just politics!

brudgers 6y ago

Ironically, the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities investigated Advancing American Art exhibit looking for a leftist conspiracy. Or to put it another way there is no rationale for proposing a government conspiracy. It was ordinary government operations described in newspapers and magazines of the day and documented in the Congressional Record and the National Archives.