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Apple absolutely does abuse their power as a monopoly. I'm not sure how that's related to asking users for permission to share data with third parties, which is

Apple absolutely does abuse their power as a monopoly. I'm not sure how that's related to asking users for permission to share data with third parties, which is what this was about.

shajznnckfke 6y ago
Apple is exempting itself from this policy, keeping its own tracking on by default: https://twitter.com/eric_seufert/status/1291730115253145600?s=21 https://twitter.com/eric_seufert/status/1291730115253145600?... Previously, Apple and third-party tracking were both controlled by the same opt-put setting. Using your power as platform owner to turn your competitor’s ad tracking off by default while keeping yours on? Sure seems abusive to me.
- ziftface 6y ago
  Completely agree. I was not aware they were doing this too.
- pseudalopex 6y ago
  iOS 14 has a prompt for third party tracking.[1] It isn't off by default. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/22/apple-ios-14-ad-tracking/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/22/apple-ios-14-ad-tracking/
- Ensorceled 6y ago
  In what way is Apple a competitor to Facebook or Google Ads?
  - shajznnckfke 6y ago
    Facebook’s top ad business on iOS is promoting other apps. The tracking being blocked by this change is how they attribute app sales to the Facebook ad. Apple has a competing service: https://searchads.apple.com/ https://searchads.apple.com/ I think the purpose of this change is to redirect the revenue from FB to Apple.
    - Ensorceled 6y ago
      That is, for Apple, perhaps a nice side effect of the change. But I don't see it replacing Facebook app ads ... I never "see" the Apple ads. The real purpose of this change is to continue to drive home to Apple users, who are increasing aware of privacy issues, that Apple has their back. Anything else is gravy.
      - shajznnckfke 6y ago
        My opinion: follow the money. Apple’s publicly stated growth strategy is to expand services revenue. Taking this ad market from Facebook is part of that strategy. The PR is gravy. Apple isn’t the EFF.
multiplegeorges 6y ago
Monopoly of what? A platform of their own creation? It's not of the app market or the mobile phone market, there are strong viable competitors in both. No one says Toyota is a monopolist of Toyota cars and yet Apple is called a monopolist of the App Store, iOS, and Apple phones.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  Strangely, nobody says Microsoft has an xBox monopoly either. Likewise, no complaints about the PS4/5 monopoly or Nintendo Monopoly.
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    Oh I would love to be able to buy a full-price PS5 to install whatever I want on, rather than the discounted-because-PS-store one we have now.
    - ogre_codes 6y ago
      Likewise, I'd be willing to pay a reasonable premium for a truly unlocked iPhone.
      - StavrosK 6y ago
        The difference is the iPhone isn't sold below cost, you should already be able to unlock it (except Apple just doesn't want you to) .
        ogre_codes 6y ago
        This makes no sense. As a consumer, I'm dropping $500 on a console. How much it costs Microsoft to make doesn't affect my relationship with them or my relationship with developers of the platform.
        StavrosK 6y ago
throwaheyy 6y ago
What? Facebook is playing in Apple’s garden here. Remember when Facebook made their own phone and app store, and nobody wanted it?

Apple absolutely does abuse their power as a monopoly. I'm not sure how that's related to asking users for permission to share data with third parties, which is what this was about.

shajznnckfke 6y ago

Apple is exempting itself from this policy, keeping its own tracking on by default: https://twitter.com/eric_seufert/status/1291730115253145600?s=21 https://twitter.com/eric_seufert/status/1291730115253145600?... Previously, Apple and third-party tracking were both controlled by the same opt-put setting. Using your power as platform owner to turn your competitor’s ad tracking off by default while keeping yours on? Sure seems abusive to me.

ziftface 6y ago
Completely agree. I was not aware they were doing this too.
pseudalopex 6y ago
iOS 14 has a prompt for third party tracking.[1] It isn't off by default. [1] https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/22/apple-ios-14-ad-tracking/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/06/22/apple-ios-14-ad-tracking/
Ensorceled 6y ago
In what way is Apple a competitor to Facebook or Google Ads?
- shajznnckfke 6y ago
  Facebook’s top ad business on iOS is promoting other apps. The tracking being blocked by this change is how they attribute app sales to the Facebook ad. Apple has a competing service: https://searchads.apple.com/ https://searchads.apple.com/ I think the purpose of this change is to redirect the revenue from FB to Apple.
  - Ensorceled 6y ago
    That is, for Apple, perhaps a nice side effect of the change. But I don't see it replacing Facebook app ads ... I never "see" the Apple ads. The real purpose of this change is to continue to drive home to Apple users, who are increasing aware of privacy issues, that Apple has their back. Anything else is gravy.
    - shajznnckfke 6y ago
      My opinion: follow the money. Apple’s publicly stated growth strategy is to expand services revenue. Taking this ad market from Facebook is part of that strategy. The PR is gravy. Apple isn’t the EFF.

multiplegeorges 6y ago

Monopoly of what? A platform of their own creation? It's not of the app market or the mobile phone market, there are strong viable competitors in both. No one says Toyota is a monopolist of Toyota cars and yet Apple is called a monopolist of the App Store, iOS, and Apple phones.

ogre_codes 6y ago
Strangely, nobody says Microsoft has an xBox monopoly either. Likewise, no complaints about the PS4/5 monopoly or Nintendo Monopoly.
- StavrosK 6y ago
  Oh I would love to be able to buy a full-price PS5 to install whatever I want on, rather than the discounted-because-PS-store one we have now.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    Likewise, I'd be willing to pay a reasonable premium for a truly unlocked iPhone.
    - StavrosK 6y ago
      The difference is the iPhone isn't sold below cost, you should already be able to unlock it (except Apple just doesn't want you to) .
      - ogre_codes 6y ago
        This makes no sense. As a consumer, I'm dropping $500 on a console. How much it costs Microsoft to make doesn't affect my relationship with them or my relationship with developers of the platform.
        StavrosK 6y ago

throwaheyy 6y ago

What? Facebook is playing in Apple’s garden here. Remember when Facebook made their own phone and app store, and nobody wanted it?