Absolutely, but I still prefer the interfaces that come out of doing proper TDD. I minimize the use of mocks and try to pull in as much of the infrastructure as

Absolutely, but I still prefer the interfaces that come out of doing proper TDD. I minimize the use of mocks and try to pull in as much of the infrastructure as possible. I'm pragmatic though. I'll use fakeredis in tests instead of actual redis so the tests can run concurrently without quirks. It's hard to communicate as a developer at times. We're all learning different things at different times and taking things to an extreme can cause bad outcomes for the rest of the team. One of the reasons I try to be accurate during online discussions. "I do TDD 85% of the time" is a better thing to add to the conversation than "I do TDD" since it gives people the idea of nuance in software development methods.