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I choose lulim as the name after lu-lim, the ancient Sumerian name for Saturn[0] (the planet with rings!) [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_planet h

I choose lulim as the name after lu-lim, the ancient Sumerian name for Saturn[0] (the planet with rings!) [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_planet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_planet

fortran77 6y ago
Interesting. There's no way they could have seen the rings back then. I wonder if there's a connection.
- dddddaviddddd 6y ago
  The name doesn't refer to the rings, e.g. see "Saturn as the 'Sun of Night' in Ancient Near Eastern Tradition" in January 2013 Aula Orientalis 31(2):279-321: > In addition, a star list identifies En-me-šár-ra with LU.LIM, the “deer-star”, while a mid-7th century Neo-Assyrian lexical text listing the seven traditional planets equates LU.LIM with UDU.IDIM.SAG.UŠ (kayamānu), the planet Saturn. Other sources translate it simply as 'ram'.
- samatman 6y ago
  Sumerian is a linguistic isolate: no one has ever been able to demonstrate a relationship with any other language. Which is itself pretty mysterious! Akkadian, which displaced it, is a Semitic language, which became the lingua franca of the Ancient Near East. Aramaic is somewhere between a relative and a descendant; more the former, Akkadian stands to Aramaic very roughly as Latin stands to English. So... probably not? I don't know if any Sumerian loanwords have been identified in Akkadian, but it would surprise me if there were absolutely none, the Akkadians adopted cuneiform to write their language, and their empire was the successor to the Sumerian states. If anyone can point me at resources on the subject, I'd enjoy that, I've always found that part of history fascinating.
dvirsky 6y ago
In modern Hebrew Lulim means "chicken coops" :)
- doctoboggan 6y ago
  Oh no! I hope any of my potential Hebrew speaking customers have positive experiences with chicken coops.
  - tptacek 6y ago
    There is no luckier sign for a new venture than its name unexpectedly turning out to have a weird connotation in some other language. Congratulations!
    - doctoboggan 6y ago
      Haha thanks! I asked my wife why she didn’t tell me lulim meant chicken coop and she said they didn’t talk about chickens much in Hebrew school.
  - dvirsky 6y ago
    I actually checked the About page to see if this is an Israeli project. Maybe someone started this business in an old chicken coop in their backyard or something :)

fortran77 6y ago

Interesting. There's no way they could have seen the rings back then. I wonder if there's a connection.

dddddaviddddd 6y ago
The name doesn't refer to the rings, e.g. see "Saturn as the 'Sun of Night' in Ancient Near Eastern Tradition" in January 2013 Aula Orientalis 31(2):279-321: > In addition, a star list identifies En-me-šár-ra with LU.LIM, the “deer-star”, while a mid-7th century Neo-Assyrian lexical text listing the seven traditional planets equates LU.LIM with UDU.IDIM.SAG.UŠ (kayamānu), the planet Saturn. Other sources translate it simply as 'ram'.
samatman 6y ago
Sumerian is a linguistic isolate: no one has ever been able to demonstrate a relationship with any other language. Which is itself pretty mysterious! Akkadian, which displaced it, is a Semitic language, which became the lingua franca of the Ancient Near East. Aramaic is somewhere between a relative and a descendant; more the former, Akkadian stands to Aramaic very roughly as Latin stands to English. So... probably not? I don't know if any Sumerian loanwords have been identified in Akkadian, but it would surprise me if there were absolutely none, the Akkadians adopted cuneiform to write their language, and their empire was the successor to the Sumerian states. If anyone can point me at resources on the subject, I'd enjoy that, I've always found that part of history fascinating.

dvirsky 6y ago

In modern Hebrew Lulim means "chicken coops" :)

doctoboggan 6y ago
Oh no! I hope any of my potential Hebrew speaking customers have positive experiences with chicken coops.
- tptacek 6y ago
  There is no luckier sign for a new venture than its name unexpectedly turning out to have a weird connotation in some other language. Congratulations!
  - doctoboggan 6y ago
    Haha thanks! I asked my wife why she didn’t tell me lulim meant chicken coop and she said they didn’t talk about chickens much in Hebrew school.
- dvirsky 6y ago
  I actually checked the About page to see if this is an Israeli project. Maybe someone started this business in an old chicken coop in their backyard or something :)