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Looking at what people are saying and thinking: Some people become cops because they want to help people, Some because they want power. Cops that are good have

Looking at what people are saying and thinking: Some people become cops because they want to help people, Some because they want power. Cops that are good have a tendency to end up dehumanizing members of the public whom they are meant to be helping due to a number of factors(ie. continuous exposure to negative elements). Currently the zeitgeist is defund the police, by either abolishing them or making the job lower paying and using those funds for social workers. I do not see the current proposed solutions fixing any of the problems.

DetroitThrow 6y ago
The solutions being taken up by moderates in both of the American political parties has been about removing liability protections in police actions and/or creating national standards for police oversight. I think those are the solutions that currently have widespread support and people have been discussing qualified immunity and body cameras at length on twitter and elsewhere.
- IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
  No. I suggest to read Franklin Zimring's 2017 book, When Police Kill. We are focused on problem cops but not problem departments. Not 1 person mentions the failure of local chain of command for setting bad/no policy to deal with police encounters. Immunity should be removed also from chain of command AND deparments for not producing directives that troops can follow. Why is it not codified to not shoot when a suspect is running? The ruelbook on proper rules of engagement is surprisingly weak at precinct level and above. Then we go about blaming cops for not having clear limitations on what they can or cannot do. Leadership loves the lack of accountability. They prefer to sacrificial troop lambs rather than themselves to roast. And we are happy to oblige them
- themaninthedark 6y ago
  I can see that helping in the sense of holding police responsible once they have taken bad actions but I am not sure if that will help with power seeking actions. As an aside, we should remove liability protections for all government officials not just police.
  - DetroitThrow 6y ago
    Making bad actions visible can better inform voters and increase accountability (even if it doesn't remove bad actors themselves from the system). Qualified immunity is useful and helpful for the justice system in theory, but it is increasingly clear it causes more harm than good.

DetroitThrow 6y ago

The solutions being taken up by moderates in both of the American political parties has been about removing liability protections in police actions and/or creating national standards for police oversight. I think those are the solutions that currently have widespread support and people have been discussing qualified immunity and body cameras at length on twitter and elsewhere.

IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
No. I suggest to read Franklin Zimring's 2017 book, When Police Kill. We are focused on problem cops but not problem departments. Not 1 person mentions the failure of local chain of command for setting bad/no policy to deal with police encounters. Immunity should be removed also from chain of command AND deparments for not producing directives that troops can follow. Why is it not codified to not shoot when a suspect is running? The ruelbook on proper rules of engagement is surprisingly weak at precinct level and above. Then we go about blaming cops for not having clear limitations on what they can or cannot do. Leadership loves the lack of accountability. They prefer to sacrificial troop lambs rather than themselves to roast. And we are happy to oblige them
themaninthedark 6y ago
I can see that helping in the sense of holding police responsible once they have taken bad actions but I am not sure if that will help with power seeking actions. As an aside, we should remove liability protections for all government officials not just police.
- DetroitThrow 6y ago
  Making bad actions visible can better inform voters and increase accountability (even if it doesn't remove bad actors themselves from the system). Qualified immunity is useful and helpful for the justice system in theory, but it is increasingly clear it causes more harm than good.