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Every time I read about something like that, I can't help but think about High Theory Of Education in Strugatsky bros' fictional Noon Universe[1][2]. In that u

Every time I read about something like that, I can't help but think about High Theory Of Education in Strugatsky bros' fictional Noon Universe[1][2]. In that universe all children are taught by professional mentors-teachers, one for every group of 3–7 children, in what are essentially boarding schools. These mentors go through a thirty-year rigorous training and a thorough psychological screening, since they essentially decide the future of the children they're educating, and thus the humanity and the universe. [1] (in Russian) https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%8B%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%8F_%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%8B%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noon_Universe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noon_Universe

082349872349872 6y ago
> Главной задачей учителя является — обнаружить и развить в ребёнке его главный талант, то, что он умеет лучше многих This sentiment reminded me of the Pyongyang "Children's Palace": http://vienna-pyongyang.blogspot.com/2009/04/pyongyang-metro-childrens-palace-etc.html http://vienna-pyongyang.blogspot.com/2009/04/pyongyang-metro... > "I asked whether children can choose what they want to do. The answer was, that there is a test, to find out about the talents of the children, and according to that the options, which they have, are decided." Was this talent testing ("All Student Vocational Aptitude Battery"?) also the practice at the russian Дворец пионеров? (does the motto "научился сам — научи товарища" mean "learn yourself, teach your friend"?)
- ainar-g 6y ago
  I don't think I understand your first question, as I am unaware of any mottos like that. “Научился сам — научи товарища” is probably closer to “After learning [something yourself], teach [your] comrade!”. You generally should not translate “товарищ” as “friend”, as the former is something more formal.
  - 082349872349872 6y ago
    Thanks for the correction[1]. The first question was about the High Theory of Education, namely that the chief task of the educator is to find the child's unique talent, what it can do better than most. Did Pioneer Palaces attempt anything similar[2]? [1] I guess friend would have been друг? "Друг всегда с тобой / если ты бухой" [2] as their DPRK equivalents seem to, via explicit testing?
    - ainar-g 6y ago
      The Pioneers were a youth organisation of the CPSU, so their officially stated goal was making sure that the youth has the “correct” ideological upbringing. But from a lot of people I've heard an opinion, that the actual purpose of the organisation was to free up some time for the parents, heh. The Pioneers did have a large network of what were essentially hobby clubs, where children could learn new skill from older kids and counsellors, so they did help children to pursue their interests and talents in a way. Besides that, as far as I know, they weren't that different from Northamerican Boy/Girl Scout organisations.
      - 082349872349872 6y ago
        Sorry for the late reply, just ran across an illustrator who obviously fondly remembers his Pioneer days: https://raven-yellow.livejournal.com/96620.html https://raven-yellow.livejournal.com/96620.html (the biggest difference between scouts and pioneers having been mixed groups?) "Держи дистанцию" is now true again: it's just expanded to 2 metres.

082349872349872 6y ago

> Главной задачей учителя является — обнаружить и развить в ребёнке его главный талант, то, что он умеет лучше многих This sentiment reminded me of the Pyongyang "Children's Palace": http://vienna-pyongyang.blogspot.com/2009/04/pyongyang-metro-childrens-palace-etc.html http://vienna-pyongyang.blogspot.com/2009/04/pyongyang-metro... > "I asked whether children can choose what they want to do. The answer was, that there is a test, to find out about the talents of the children, and according to that the options, which they have, are decided." Was this talent testing ("All Student Vocational Aptitude Battery"?) also the practice at the russian Дворец пионеров? (does the motto "научился сам — научи товарища" mean "learn yourself, teach your friend"?)

ainar-g 6y ago
I don't think I understand your first question, as I am unaware of any mottos like that. “Научился сам — научи товарища” is probably closer to “After learning [something yourself], teach [your] comrade!”. You generally should not translate “товарищ” as “friend”, as the former is something more formal.
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  Thanks for the correction[1]. The first question was about the High Theory of Education, namely that the chief task of the educator is to find the child's unique talent, what it can do better than most. Did Pioneer Palaces attempt anything similar[2]? [1] I guess friend would have been друг? "Друг всегда с тобой / если ты бухой" [2] as their DPRK equivalents seem to, via explicit testing?
  - ainar-g 6y ago
    The Pioneers were a youth organisation of the CPSU, so their officially stated goal was making sure that the youth has the “correct” ideological upbringing. But from a lot of people I've heard an opinion, that the actual purpose of the organisation was to free up some time for the parents, heh. The Pioneers did have a large network of what were essentially hobby clubs, where children could learn new skill from older kids and counsellors, so they did help children to pursue their interests and talents in a way. Besides that, as far as I know, they weren't that different from Northamerican Boy/Girl Scout organisations.
    - 082349872349872 6y ago
      Sorry for the late reply, just ran across an illustrator who obviously fondly remembers his Pioneer days: https://raven-yellow.livejournal.com/96620.html https://raven-yellow.livejournal.com/96620.html (the biggest difference between scouts and pioneers having been mixed groups?) "Держи дистанцию" is now true again: it's just expanded to 2 metres.