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In some ways this comment is spot on, but in many others it's not. England, Australia, France and Germany all had unprecedented terror attacks in the years sinc

In some ways this comment is spot on, but in many others it's not. England, Australia, France and Germany all had unprecedented terror attacks in the years since 9-11. All of those have put in place much increased physical, telecommunications and financial surveillance, except maybe France (I don't know about France). Perhaps not post-9-11 world outside the U.S., but definitely a world in terror from the governments' point of view. From an average citizen POV, it's probably more like 'Didn't something happen a few years ago at an Ariana Grande concert?'.

Xylakant 6y ago
> ..., Germany all had unprecedented terror attacks in the years since 9-11. Germany hasn't - we've had much worse terror attacks in the years before 9-11. I'll just mention the Oktoberfest attack or the attack on the munich olympic games. In terms of collective scare, the RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion) far eclipses any terror risk after 9-11. Even today, more people get killed by Nazi supporters than other terrorists. We still have put a lot of restrictive measures in place, but it's more that 9-11 and terrorism act as a convenient leverage to impose those measures and not the actual danger.
- waffle_ss 6y ago
  Germany had a role in the 9/11 attacks by letting the Hamburg cell slip under their radar
  - Communitivity 6y ago
    By that reasoning you might say the US had a huge role in 9/11 because the Bin Laden issue station failed to identify and prevent his attacks. I wouldn't say that, they did the best they could with the budget they had, and the approvals they were (or weren't) given.
    - waffle_ss 6y ago
      I'm responding to the Europeans who want to wrap 9/11 (and further, Islamic terrorism) into a tidy "America's problem" package when it clearly isn't
BLKNSLVR 6y ago
I don't think Australia did. Although it's leadership has been acting as if it had.
- lmz 6y ago
  Australia had a good amount of its citizens killed in the Bali bombings.

Xylakant 6y ago

> ..., Germany all had unprecedented terror attacks in the years since 9-11. Germany hasn't - we've had much worse terror attacks in the years before 9-11. I'll just mention the Oktoberfest attack or the attack on the munich olympic games. In terms of collective scare, the RAF (Rote Armee Fraktion) far eclipses any terror risk after 9-11. Even today, more people get killed by Nazi supporters than other terrorists. We still have put a lot of restrictive measures in place, but it's more that 9-11 and terrorism act as a convenient leverage to impose those measures and not the actual danger.

waffle_ss 6y ago
Germany had a role in the 9/11 attacks by letting the Hamburg cell slip under their radar
- Communitivity 6y ago
  By that reasoning you might say the US had a huge role in 9/11 because the Bin Laden issue station failed to identify and prevent his attacks. I wouldn't say that, they did the best they could with the budget they had, and the approvals they were (or weren't) given.
  - waffle_ss 6y ago
    I'm responding to the Europeans who want to wrap 9/11 (and further, Islamic terrorism) into a tidy "America's problem" package when it clearly isn't

BLKNSLVR 6y ago

I don't think Australia did. Although it's leadership has been acting as if it had.

lmz 6y ago
Australia had a good amount of its citizens killed in the Bali bombings.