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I'm on the same opinion, once the device is mine I should be able to install whatever I want. What would happen if I couldn't install the software I want on a d

by joking 6y ago

I'm on the same opinion, once the device is mine I should be able to install whatever I want. What would happen if I couldn't install the software I want on a desktop device? I really don't get how apple has survived so long with such a tight leash on IOS.

marcus_holmes 6y ago
Because you're not their target market. Their target market don't want to know about the technical details. They're not nerds like us.
- joking 6y ago
  I'm actually their target market, I use an iphone as my main phone because two reasons, first they have a great hardware, and second, they support their devices much longer than any other manufacturer. An iphone 7 is 4 years from their release still a very capable phone and receives security updates and new os versions, there is no other manufactured that does that. You could say that they finance that with the app store, but their devices are actually quite priced and what the app store gives to apple is way more money that what they need. You can however not invest very much on the apple ecosystem and subscribe to most services outside the app store mode, which is what I do myself, but I'm a minority.
- iso1210 6y ago
  People on this site are not in general nerds. The explosion in developers around the late 00s meant that the average coder is no longer a typical 'news for nerds stuff that matters' person.
  - marcus_holmes 6y ago
    Maybe in the Bay. But in the rest of the world, the average suit still considers developers to be nerds, only good for pushing the nerd-buttons.
secretsatan 6y ago
Because you think of it as a computer? Where as most of their think of it as a smartphone and don't give a thought to a root user or wonder why they need it. Eliminating a huge security risk that has been a bane for general computers for all time.
TheJoeMan 6y ago
Also, what happened to PWA’s? That would be a great way to open up the ecosystem
- mmis1000 6y ago
  Apple decides to fxxk them up. It don't even has notification that chrome/firefox on android implemented years ago. Not to mention damn much annoying safari bugs.
Tijdreiziger 6y ago
The desktop is incredibly outdated, and it's painfully visible. Any desktop application you install isn't sandboxed at all and has full access to all your files and peripherals (including camera and microphone). The only way to describe this is 'insane'.
- anoncake 6y ago
  That is only a problem when you run untrusted software. Doing that is insane.
  - Tijdreiziger 6y ago
    No, you shouldn't need to trust software in the first place. Why should my email client be allowed to access my camera, whether I trust it or not?
    - anoncake 6y ago
      Because sandboxing harms the user experience.
    - marcus_holmes 6y ago
      At some point, you have to trust some software. Even if it's just the sandbox maker. We can go two ways with this: 1. We teach users how to use computers so they don't hurt themselves. Some still will, because they don't get it. 2. We clamp down on all uses of computers so that they're safe for uneducated users to use. Only authorised corporate programmers are allowed to create applications. Users are "safe", but treated badly by their corporate overlords. I want scenario 1 (with no sandbox and the freedom to install whatever I like). Scenario 2 is where Apple is headed.
AOsborn 6y ago
Probably because you're not the target audience. That is perfectly fine as well. I imagine most of the HN audience would be able to avoid bricking their devices if they all came with root access. But I buy Apple. For myself, my parents, and I recommend to relatives etc. The tight leash is a feature not a limitation. I know if I set up an iPhone or iPad for my mum the apps aren't going to try charging her credit card or installing bloatware and so on. The tight integration between all the services is a plus as well - something I just don't trust on other devices. Using the parent example again, my mum doesn't need to understand iCloud syncing, she just knows that all her photos are safe on the device and will show up on the computer.

by joking 6y ago

marcus_holmes 6y ago

Because you're not their target market. Their target market don't want to know about the technical details. They're not nerds like us.

joking 6y ago
I'm actually their target market, I use an iphone as my main phone because two reasons, first they have a great hardware, and second, they support their devices much longer than any other manufacturer. An iphone 7 is 4 years from their release still a very capable phone and receives security updates and new os versions, there is no other manufactured that does that. You could say that they finance that with the app store, but their devices are actually quite priced and what the app store gives to apple is way more money that what they need. You can however not invest very much on the apple ecosystem and subscribe to most services outside the app store mode, which is what I do myself, but I'm a minority.
iso1210 6y ago
People on this site are not in general nerds. The explosion in developers around the late 00s meant that the average coder is no longer a typical 'news for nerds stuff that matters' person.
- marcus_holmes 6y ago
  Maybe in the Bay. But in the rest of the world, the average suit still considers developers to be nerds, only good for pushing the nerd-buttons.

secretsatan 6y ago

Because you think of it as a computer? Where as most of their think of it as a smartphone and don't give a thought to a root user or wonder why they need it. Eliminating a huge security risk that has been a bane for general computers for all time.

TheJoeMan 6y ago

Also, what happened to PWA’s? That would be a great way to open up the ecosystem

mmis1000 6y ago
Apple decides to fxxk them up. It don't even has notification that chrome/firefox on android implemented years ago. Not to mention damn much annoying safari bugs.

Tijdreiziger 6y ago

The desktop is incredibly outdated, and it's painfully visible. Any desktop application you install isn't sandboxed at all and has full access to all your files and peripherals (including camera and microphone). The only way to describe this is 'insane'.

anoncake 6y ago
That is only a problem when you run untrusted software. Doing that is insane.
- Tijdreiziger 6y ago
  No, you shouldn't need to trust software in the first place. Why should my email client be allowed to access my camera, whether I trust it or not?
  - anoncake 6y ago
    Because sandboxing harms the user experience.
  - marcus_holmes 6y ago
    At some point, you have to trust some software. Even if it's just the sandbox maker. We can go two ways with this: 1. We teach users how to use computers so they don't hurt themselves. Some still will, because they don't get it. 2. We clamp down on all uses of computers so that they're safe for uneducated users to use. Only authorised corporate programmers are allowed to create applications. Users are "safe", but treated badly by their corporate overlords. I want scenario 1 (with no sandbox and the freedom to install whatever I like). Scenario 2 is where Apple is headed.

AOsborn 6y ago

Probably because you're not the target audience. That is perfectly fine as well. I imagine most of the HN audience would be able to avoid bricking their devices if they all came with root access. But I buy Apple. For myself, my parents, and I recommend to relatives etc. The tight leash is a feature not a limitation. I know if I set up an iPhone or iPad for my mum the apps aren't going to try charging her credit card or installing bloatware and so on. The tight integration between all the services is a plus as well - something I just don't trust on other devices. Using the parent example again, my mum doesn't need to understand iCloud syncing, she just knows that all her photos are safe on the device and will show up on the computer.