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Microsoft Research certainly does a lot of interesting stuff, but I think the bigger point is inertia -- Microsoft doesn't have any in the startup space. Ruby,

by donw 6y ago

Microsoft Research certainly does a lot of interesting stuff, but I think the bigger point is inertia -- Microsoft doesn't have any in the startup space. Ruby, and to a large extent Python, started from zero, and gained a ton of traction during the whole Web 2.0 rumble. Microsoft is starting from a negative perception amongst a lot of engineers, and unless they can provide some sort of killer reason to use .NET technologies -- one that doesn't lock you into their ecosystem -- then I don't see them unseating the established players. Swift and its descendants will be around as long as Apple is, same story for Java and Android. Ruby/Python/Node will continue on in the Web space, with Go/Rust/C++ duking it out for backend services. This game changes should Microsoft blow a new market open, though, like Apple and Google did with smartphones.

csmattryder 6y ago
> Microsoft is starting from a negative perception amongst a lot of engineers, and unless they can provide some sort of killer reason to use .NET technologies Yeah, as stated above, I used to build on .NET back when WinForms was king. ASP MVC wasn't fun to write, Rails was a blast. If you haven't got C# experience, I can understand the apprehension. History repeats itself and almost definitely MS will get it wrong again for .NET, but right now, the money is good and the tech is interesting if you're into web tech and C#.
- donw 6y ago
  > History repeats itself I would go with "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes". :) > definitely MS will get it wrong again Oh, definitely. And I agree -- Microsoft is doing some interesting stuff right now. VSCode has made a big splash, they bought GitHub, etc.
- nayaketo 6y ago
  > Winforms was king. MVC wasn't fun to write with Having worked with both, I have exactly opposite feelings about the two platforms. Except speed of development, I have absolutely nothing positive to say about Webforms.
  - csmattryder 6y ago
    Ah no! While a standard thing to do for the web, WinForms let you do the strangest stuff like mimicking OS X for a piece of Windows-only software. My excuse is I was seventeen at the time... Back then, I was afraid of both hard graft and human interface guidelines. https://mattryder.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/capture.png https://mattryder.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/capture.png

by donw 6y ago

csmattryder 6y ago

> Microsoft is starting from a negative perception amongst a lot of engineers, and unless they can provide some sort of killer reason to use .NET technologies Yeah, as stated above, I used to build on .NET back when WinForms was king. ASP MVC wasn't fun to write, Rails was a blast. If you haven't got C# experience, I can understand the apprehension. History repeats itself and almost definitely MS will get it wrong again for .NET, but right now, the money is good and the tech is interesting if you're into web tech and C#.

donw 6y ago
> History repeats itself I would go with "History doesn't repeat itself, but it often rhymes". :) > definitely MS will get it wrong again Oh, definitely. And I agree -- Microsoft is doing some interesting stuff right now. VSCode has made a big splash, they bought GitHub, etc.
nayaketo 6y ago
> Winforms was king. MVC wasn't fun to write with Having worked with both, I have exactly opposite feelings about the two platforms. Except speed of development, I have absolutely nothing positive to say about Webforms.
- csmattryder 6y ago
  Ah no! While a standard thing to do for the web, WinForms let you do the strangest stuff like mimicking OS X for a piece of Windows-only software. My excuse is I was seventeen at the time... Back then, I was afraid of both hard graft and human interface guidelines. https://mattryder.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/capture.png https://mattryder.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/capture.png