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It's not that simple. The sea is not 'owned' by any country and changing the existing regulations that work (for some form of 'work', but one that is stable i

It's not that simple. The sea is not 'owned' by any country and changing the existing regulations that work (for some form of 'work', but one that is stable in a large context) with something else that works better is an iterative process with a very long iteration time.

dec0dedab0de 6y ago
The sea is not 'owned' by any country But all the ports are. Come up with rules, and just dont let ships dock if the owners of the ship dont follow the rules Doesnt seem that tricky.
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  But what exact rule would you implement, that would have an effect?
  - dec0dedab0de 6y ago
    Any dangerous material that is not stored or handled properly is immediately confiscated.
    - danarmak 6y ago
      And then sits in port for years until it blows up. Do remember that the bigger problem here wasn't a sea-unworthy ship that had to be impounded, but the fact the explosives were not safely stored or disposed of. That's not directly the fault of the ship's owner.
      - throw0101a 6y ago
        > And then sits in port for years until it blows up. Or is sold to the highest bidder like like any other 'proceeds of crime' government auction.
    - 72deluxe 6y ago
      Doesn't that just move the problem from the boat to land?? I think that's precisely why the substance was there in Beirut anyway - it HAD been confiscated.
    - bregma 6y ago
      Like the War On Drugs. That has been an enormous success.
    - rad_gruchalski 6y ago
      That’s more or less what happened with the stuff in Beirut. It was confiscated and it was sitting there in the port for 6 years! Sitting there and not being handled properly...
    - hutzlibu 6y ago
      I meant regarding to this point from above "No invasion or bombing of any country is going to affect the facilitation of terrorist funding anywhere near the action of restricting trade for companies that have these byzantine ownership structures that shield the actual owners and profiteers from identification"
BLKNSLVR 6y ago
To use a quote template from The Office: Jo: Question 1: Can I trace ownership of the ship and the goods it's transporting? Dwight: It's complicated Jo: Yeah, but you see... it's not.

dec0dedab0de 6y ago

The sea is not 'owned' by any country But all the ports are. Come up with rules, and just dont let ships dock if the owners of the ship dont follow the rules Doesnt seem that tricky.

hutzlibu 6y ago
But what exact rule would you implement, that would have an effect?
- dec0dedab0de 6y ago
  Any dangerous material that is not stored or handled properly is immediately confiscated.
  - danarmak 6y ago
    And then sits in port for years until it blows up. Do remember that the bigger problem here wasn't a sea-unworthy ship that had to be impounded, but the fact the explosives were not safely stored or disposed of. That's not directly the fault of the ship's owner.
    - throw0101a 6y ago
      > And then sits in port for years until it blows up. Or is sold to the highest bidder like like any other 'proceeds of crime' government auction.
  - 72deluxe 6y ago
    Doesn't that just move the problem from the boat to land?? I think that's precisely why the substance was there in Beirut anyway - it HAD been confiscated.
  - bregma 6y ago
    Like the War On Drugs. That has been an enormous success.
  - rad_gruchalski 6y ago
    That’s more or less what happened with the stuff in Beirut. It was confiscated and it was sitting there in the port for 6 years! Sitting there and not being handled properly...
  - hutzlibu 6y ago
    I meant regarding to this point from above "No invasion or bombing of any country is going to affect the facilitation of terrorist funding anywhere near the action of restricting trade for companies that have these byzantine ownership structures that shield the actual owners and profiteers from identification"

BLKNSLVR 6y ago

To use a quote template from The Office: Jo: Question 1: Can I trace ownership of the ship and the goods it's transporting? Dwight: It's complicated Jo: Yeah, but you see... it's not.