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this wouldn't happen if it weren't for the slogan "abolish the police" proponents need to accept that it's just bad framing

by weswpg 6y ago

bshoemaker 6y ago
The slogan is defund. I.e. reduce
- brendoelfrendo 6y ago
  Perhaps the "defund" is so entrenched in the conservative playbook as meaning "eliminate by starving of operating capital" that using "defund" to mean "free up capital to be re-prioritized to other social causes" simply seems nonintuitive or alien to them.
  - weswpg 6y ago
    also, the dictionary definition of 'defund' means "to withdraw funding from" if you wanted to campaign on partially defunding the police, then you'd get a different reaction. i'm not aware of any previous major political movements which used the slogan 'defund X' to mean 'partially reduce funding to, but continue to support sufficiently to ensure proper functioning of X" so if (a) defund doesn't imply "partially reduce funding" and (b) the word defund has not historically been used that way and (c) plenty of activists say "literally abolish the police" [1] then if people are failing to interpret it the way you'd like, the burden is on proponents to have a better slogan to communicate their message [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...
- weswpg 6y ago
  if you're unaware of the slogan "abolish the police", you haven't been following all that closely. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...
dmode 6y ago
Never heard the slogan. The popular slogan is “defund the police” and is already been applied in the sense that some funding is being redirected to other services. SF has a police budget of $750mn and I think they are redirecting $40 mn to unarmed response to non violent mental health issues. Which is great IMO
- dgellow 6y ago
  New York Times: “Yes, we mean literally abolish the police”. That’s the title. Implying there is an associated slogan, and that part of people saying it are serious. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...

this wouldn't happen if it weren't for the slogan "abolish the police" proponents need to accept that it's just bad framing

by weswpg 6y ago

this wouldn't happen if it weren't for the slogan "abolish the police" proponents need to accept that it's just bad framing

bshoemaker 6y ago

The slogan is defund. I.e. reduce

brendoelfrendo 6y ago
Perhaps the "defund" is so entrenched in the conservative playbook as meaning "eliminate by starving of operating capital" that using "defund" to mean "free up capital to be re-prioritized to other social causes" simply seems nonintuitive or alien to them.
- weswpg 6y ago
  also, the dictionary definition of 'defund' means "to withdraw funding from" if you wanted to campaign on partially defunding the police, then you'd get a different reaction. i'm not aware of any previous major political movements which used the slogan 'defund X' to mean 'partially reduce funding to, but continue to support sufficiently to ensure proper functioning of X" so if (a) defund doesn't imply "partially reduce funding" and (b) the word defund has not historically been used that way and (c) plenty of activists say "literally abolish the police" [1] then if people are failing to interpret it the way you'd like, the burden is on proponents to have a better slogan to communicate their message [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...
weswpg 6y ago
if you're unaware of the slogan "abolish the police", you haven't been following all that closely. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...

dmode 6y ago

Never heard the slogan. The popular slogan is “defund the police” and is already been applied in the sense that some funding is being redirected to other services. SF has a police budget of $750mn and I think they are redirecting $40 mn to unarmed response to non violent mental health issues. Which is great IMO

dgellow 6y ago
New York Times: “Yes, we mean literally abolish the police”. That’s the title. Implying there is an associated slogan, and that part of people saying it are serious. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abolish-defund-police.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/12/opinion/sunday/floyd-abol...