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> act aggressively and quell the protests I have trouble with this view. I don't see it. I've lived in a few protest capitals, in different countries, and I've

> act aggressively and quell the protests I have trouble with this view. I don't see it. I've lived in a few protest capitals, in different countries, and I've even been on organizing teams for protests. Polices are always either just there, or they escort specifically, unless there's that one group of shitheads that wants to cause trouble. Portland is greatly misportrayed by the media. NY Times and USA Today show people shaking a fence. You jump to AndyNgo and there's video of people sawing through fences with power tools. Political cartoonist like Matt Bors say police are afraid of laser pointers. People are using green lasers that can blind people, and may have blinded at least three federal officers. People I know there say it's pretty normal for a few hours, and then at night, a lot of anarco-anticaps cause a shit ton of damage. Police are not actively quelling protests. I think most of them are fine with people just protesting. Police do want to stop riots. Looting is destroying cities and should be stopped. CHAZ was a nightmare where the police stopped showing up when businesses and residents repeatably called them[0]. I watched police cruisers on fire in Chicago back in May, and two weekends ago businesses took a second massive hit. The bigger chains are open again, but many small stores may be closed for good. Not all police officers are good, but it's insane to think the majority of them are psychos. The vast majority of people I know who are police, want to do the right thing. There was a time when local police would turn fire hoses on peaceful protestors and release dogs. It's what turned the nation towards ML King and the movement he stood for, because America wanted to stand against the violence. When protestors burn down gas stations and car dealerships, the American people will still turn against the violence. [0]: https://battlepenguin.video/videos/watch/9f81cd38-3ee9-4f26-bd19-44fea7966c27 https://battlepenguin.video/videos/watch/9f81cd38-3ee9-4f26-...

marricks 6y ago
That's patently ridiculous. There's dozens and dozens of incidents like the videos I have listed below of police just brutalizing people, and they've done this to journalists too. Police are angry and want to violently stop protestors. Pretty sure police officers nightly beating of protestors, pulling off masks and pepper spraying their eyes and assaulting reporters is a very direct attempt at quelling descent. - police pulling down mask to pepper spray protestor in the eyes while pinned to the ground: https://twitter.com/_WhatRiot/status/1292012255714787330 https://twitter.com/_WhatRiot/status/1292012255714787330 - police randomly puncturing a support vans tires, they have done this on multiple occasions for no real reason: https://twitter.com/ScottHech/status/1291711270903844867 https://twitter.com/ScottHech/status/1291711270903844867 - police beating and kicking an unresisting protestor: https://twitter.com/1misanthrophile/status/1295962399103545345 https://twitter.com/1misanthrophile/status/12959623991035453... - more police jabbing protestor with batons: https://twitter.com/danielvmedia/status/1292228819588452359 https://twitter.com/danielvmedia/status/1292228819588452359
- macNchz 6y ago
  Here’s a twitter thread from a lawyer who collected hundreds of videos like these: https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1266751520055459847 https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/126675152005... In my view, these videos are evidence of serious and pervasive cultural problems in police departments around the country, and with how they see their role in society. There’s simply no way to justify the behavior seen in many of these clips.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  There are 4 kinds of lies. Lies Damn lies Statistics Selectively chosen video snippets
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  - rumanator 6y ago
    So the best reply you could come up with was to assert that those videos are lies with weasel words without addressing facts or providing any substance or counterpoint? Burying your head in the sand does not count as honest discourse or objective reasoning.
    - djsumdog 6y ago
      Every video in marricks's post started after things started happening; right in the middle. There is not context. We have no idea what happened BEFORE. That's the context that's missing. Go back and watch the newly released Floyd bodycam videos; the entire 30min and 18min clips. Dude was reaching around in the car, was being a total fucking asshole, swallowed 2mg of fentenyl; the cops were nothing but nice (as they could be) to him. Dude was claiming he couldn't breath and cried out to his mom even before they asked him to get in the car, and long before he was on the ground. It's a complete and total lie compared to the narrative that's been stuffed down our throat by the 24/7/365 Insta-rage-a-media.
      - 6y ago
bitwize 6y ago
Andy Ngo, the right-wing troll who set out to smear Antifa from the beginning, and who was discovered to have received protection from violent right-wing groups in exchange for favorable coverage of those groups? How do you know the people taking power tools to fences weren't right-wing agents provocateurs? If your source is Andy Ngo, I think that's the more likely explanation.
- djsumdog 6y ago
  Andy Ngo is an amazing, on the ground journalist. He has covered an amazing amount of stuff in Seattle and Portland that's not reported on any other major new media outlet. I've watched a lot of his coverage and I use to live in Seattle. Based on what I see and what I hear from others on the ground there, I respect his reporting and think it's valuable. Is it bias? Of course. Every single news agency has a bias. But I still think Andy is trying to report accurately and do the right thing. I balance what he says against his opposition and I have decided for myself that I think his intent is good.
  - erentz 6y ago
    He mostly just reposts other people’s work with his own very selective spin. You might as well follow the original photo journalists and watch the raw scenes to form your own opinion rather than have Andy Ngo spin it for you. You won’t find videos of pipe bombs exploding and proud boys pointing guns at protestors and police assaulting protestors if all you follow is Andy Ngo because those things don’t fit his agenda.
  - marricks 6y ago
    Andy's reporting in Portland this year was just 100% stealing videos from other reporters and adding his own narrative to them. Most memorably to me he took a video of a couch burning at the justice center and claimed antifa were burning a homeless persons belongings. Truth was he wasn't even there and stole the video from another journalist. That journalist post accurately described what happened but he didn't care, he knew the story he wanted to tell. Andy's tone is extremely neutral but it seems like pretty much everything he says is pulled out of his ass to smear leftists.
GenerocUsername 6y ago
Its true. I've been watching the Live Streams with hours and hours of content rather than just highlights and summaries, and overwhelmingly the police forces have shown incredible restraint. To everyone who views individual events out of context and condemns an entire system, I say you are actively harming society with your hubris.
- xenospn 6y ago
  How can a police officer, armed to the teeth, beating or shooting at an unarmed person be taken "out of context"? Did their feelings get hurt by the angry protester that they just had to fight back using physical force? What possible context are you talking about?
  - refurb 6y ago
    From what I've seen, Portland protests turns into a riots, with stones and firebombs being hurdled at police. Police then decide to clear the area (clearly within the law), antifa members refuse to move, so are forcefully moved. Usually involves antifa screaming and crying. They are then arrested and released and it starts all over again the next night.
abalone 6y ago
> There was a time when local police would turn fire hoses on peaceful protestors and release dogs. Now they just shoot out their eyes.[1] [1] https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2020/06/19/police-break-rules-shooting-protesters-rubber-bullets-less-lethal-projectiles/3211421001/ https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2020/06/19/pol...
theptip 6y ago
> I don't see it. Have you looked at any of the videos of police beating up peaceful protesters from the last few months? Sure, there are cases where protests escalate into riots, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the many, many, documented cases of peaceful protests where police initiated violence. How do you reconcile behaviour like this https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/20/christopher-david-portland-protest-video https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/20/christopher... with your view that "Polices are always either just there, or they escort specifically"? In this case they actively escalate violence against a peaceful and unarmed protester (who also happens to be a Navy vet). How about Buffalo police assaulting this old man, leaving him with blood pouring from his ears? (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/06/05/buffalo-police-push-elderly-man-to-ground-jba-orig.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/06/05/buffalo-police-push...) Are the riot police "wanting to do the right thing" here? Especially when they walk past him and leave him lying as his blood pools on the sidewalk? Can you honestly watch that video and feel fine with how the police handled that situation? > but it's insane to think the majority of them are psychos. This is a strawman. The post you replied to was not claiming anything close to this. > I think most of them are fine with people just protesting. This can be true at the same time as the viewpoint you're arguing against being true. A couple bad actors escalating things can result in a peaceful protest turning into an uncontrollable riot. Also, use of force orders vary by county, as do the orders handed down to the cops on the ground. Read https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-protesters-and-police-safer-heres-why-departments-respond-with-force-anyway/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-pro... for some evidence-based discussion around varying use-of-force policies and how they affect the outcomes during protests. > There was a time when local police would turn fire hoses on peaceful protestors and release dogs. We've made progress since then, but to claim we've fixed the problem is like claiming that racism in the USA ended with the victory of the civil rights movement.

marricks 6y ago

That's patently ridiculous. There's dozens and dozens of incidents like the videos I have listed below of police just brutalizing people, and they've done this to journalists too. Police are angry and want to violently stop protestors. Pretty sure police officers nightly beating of protestors, pulling off masks and pepper spraying their eyes and assaulting reporters is a very direct attempt at quelling descent. - police pulling down mask to pepper spray protestor in the eyes while pinned to the ground: https://twitter.com/_WhatRiot/status/1292012255714787330 https://twitter.com/_WhatRiot/status/1292012255714787330 - police randomly puncturing a support vans tires, they have done this on multiple occasions for no real reason: https://twitter.com/ScottHech/status/1291711270903844867 https://twitter.com/ScottHech/status/1291711270903844867 - police beating and kicking an unresisting protestor: https://twitter.com/1misanthrophile/status/1295962399103545345 https://twitter.com/1misanthrophile/status/12959623991035453... - more police jabbing protestor with batons: https://twitter.com/danielvmedia/status/1292228819588452359 https://twitter.com/danielvmedia/status/1292228819588452359

macNchz 6y ago
Here’s a twitter thread from a lawyer who collected hundreds of videos like these: https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1266751520055459847 https://mobile.twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/126675152005... In my view, these videos are evidence of serious and pervasive cultural problems in police departments around the country, and with how they see their role in society. There’s simply no way to justify the behavior seen in many of these clips.
djsumdog 6y ago
There are 4 kinds of lies. Lies Damn lies Statistics Selectively chosen video snippets
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- rumanator 6y ago
  So the best reply you could come up with was to assert that those videos are lies with weasel words without addressing facts or providing any substance or counterpoint? Burying your head in the sand does not count as honest discourse or objective reasoning.
  - djsumdog 6y ago
    Every video in marricks's post started after things started happening; right in the middle. There is not context. We have no idea what happened BEFORE. That's the context that's missing. Go back and watch the newly released Floyd bodycam videos; the entire 30min and 18min clips. Dude was reaching around in the car, was being a total fucking asshole, swallowed 2mg of fentenyl; the cops were nothing but nice (as they could be) to him. Dude was claiming he couldn't breath and cried out to his mom even before they asked him to get in the car, and long before he was on the ground. It's a complete and total lie compared to the narrative that's been stuffed down our throat by the 24/7/365 Insta-rage-a-media.
    - 6y ago

bitwize 6y ago

Andy Ngo, the right-wing troll who set out to smear Antifa from the beginning, and who was discovered to have received protection from violent right-wing groups in exchange for favorable coverage of those groups? How do you know the people taking power tools to fences weren't right-wing agents provocateurs? If your source is Andy Ngo, I think that's the more likely explanation.

djsumdog 6y ago
Andy Ngo is an amazing, on the ground journalist. He has covered an amazing amount of stuff in Seattle and Portland that's not reported on any other major new media outlet. I've watched a lot of his coverage and I use to live in Seattle. Based on what I see and what I hear from others on the ground there, I respect his reporting and think it's valuable. Is it bias? Of course. Every single news agency has a bias. But I still think Andy is trying to report accurately and do the right thing. I balance what he says against his opposition and I have decided for myself that I think his intent is good.
- erentz 6y ago
  He mostly just reposts other people’s work with his own very selective spin. You might as well follow the original photo journalists and watch the raw scenes to form your own opinion rather than have Andy Ngo spin it for you. You won’t find videos of pipe bombs exploding and proud boys pointing guns at protestors and police assaulting protestors if all you follow is Andy Ngo because those things don’t fit his agenda.
- marricks 6y ago
  Andy's reporting in Portland this year was just 100% stealing videos from other reporters and adding his own narrative to them. Most memorably to me he took a video of a couch burning at the justice center and claimed antifa were burning a homeless persons belongings. Truth was he wasn't even there and stole the video from another journalist. That journalist post accurately described what happened but he didn't care, he knew the story he wanted to tell. Andy's tone is extremely neutral but it seems like pretty much everything he says is pulled out of his ass to smear leftists.

GenerocUsername 6y ago

Its true. I've been watching the Live Streams with hours and hours of content rather than just highlights and summaries, and overwhelmingly the police forces have shown incredible restraint. To everyone who views individual events out of context and condemns an entire system, I say you are actively harming society with your hubris.

xenospn 6y ago
How can a police officer, armed to the teeth, beating or shooting at an unarmed person be taken "out of context"? Did their feelings get hurt by the angry protester that they just had to fight back using physical force? What possible context are you talking about?
- refurb 6y ago
  From what I've seen, Portland protests turns into a riots, with stones and firebombs being hurdled at police. Police then decide to clear the area (clearly within the law), antifa members refuse to move, so are forcefully moved. Usually involves antifa screaming and crying. They are then arrested and released and it starts all over again the next night.

abalone 6y ago

> There was a time when local police would turn fire hoses on peaceful protestors and release dogs. Now they just shoot out their eyes.[1] [1] https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2020/06/19/police-break-rules-shooting-protesters-rubber-bullets-less-lethal-projectiles/3211421001/ https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2020/06/19/pol...

theptip 6y ago

> I don't see it. Have you looked at any of the videos of police beating up peaceful protesters from the last few months? Sure, there are cases where protests escalate into riots, but that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about the many, many, documented cases of peaceful protests where police initiated violence. How do you reconcile behaviour like this https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/20/christopher-david-portland-protest-video https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/20/christopher... with your view that "Polices are always either just there, or they escort specifically"? In this case they actively escalate violence against a peaceful and unarmed protester (who also happens to be a Navy vet). How about Buffalo police assaulting this old man, leaving him with blood pouring from his ears? (https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/06/05/buffalo-police-push-elderly-man-to-ground-jba-orig.cnn https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/06/05/buffalo-police-push...) Are the riot police "wanting to do the right thing" here? Especially when they walk past him and leave him lying as his blood pools on the sidewalk? Can you honestly watch that video and feel fine with how the police handled that situation? > but it's insane to think the majority of them are psychos. This is a strawman. The post you replied to was not claiming anything close to this. > I think most of them are fine with people just protesting. This can be true at the same time as the viewpoint you're arguing against being true. A couple bad actors escalating things can result in a peaceful protest turning into an uncontrollable riot. Also, use of force orders vary by county, as do the orders handed down to the cops on the ground. Read https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-protesters-and-police-safer-heres-why-departments-respond-with-force-anyway/ https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/de-escalation-keeps-pro... for some evidence-based discussion around varying use-of-force policies and how they affect the outcomes during protests. > There was a time when local police would turn fire hoses on peaceful protestors and release dogs. We've made progress since then, but to claim we've fixed the problem is like claiming that racism in the USA ended with the victory of the civil rights movement.