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Ads OR payment? Cute theory. Here's the reality: if I pay for a subscription to the NYtimes, I still get ads. If I pay for CNN, I still get ads. If I pay fo

Ads OR payment? Cute theory. Here's the reality: if I pay for a subscription to the NYtimes, I still get ads. If I pay for CNN, I still get ads. If I pay for a movie ticket, I get ads and probably product placement as well (just another form of ad.) So fuck that argument.

manigandham 6y ago
Either the payments aren't enough to cover everything or the service wants to make more. Anyways, the only "theory" is that costs need to be paid, and you can't have no ads and no payments and expect that to work.
- liability 6y ago
  How much money do I have to give the NYTimes before they give me a newpaper without ads? The answer seems to be that it's not something they're selling. I don't think they ever have, and I don't really expect they ever will. Hence ad blockers, without a shred of remorse.
  - manigandham 6y ago
    If they don't provide it then you can opt to just not read it. Not paying and not viewing ads is clearly expecting free content, the very same expectation that pushed so many ads online in the first place.
    - liability 6y ago
      Or I can use an adblocker and give such businesses the finger. I will continue to do this. If they don't like it, the ball is in their court. Let them try to stop me, ruining their site in the process for anybody who pays for a subscription while blocking their ads, or offer an ad-free service to people who pay. Either way, using an adblocker is a clear win for me and nobody can provide me with a compelling reason to stop. Whining about how I'm being unfair to the poor w'ittle corporation isn't persuasive. It was never my intention to follow the rules of the game they want me to play.
    - phone8675309 6y ago
      This is what I do - if you won't give me an ad free version then I'm not interested. My local newspaper is dying and I don't feel sorry for them.
floatboth 6y ago
I pay for YouTube Premium and don't get ads. Other than sponsorships in the videos, but they're not nearly as annoying as external ads. Oh and some channels cross-post their videos to a paid platform called Nebula – there you can often find non-sponsored versions even.
- jiggawatts 6y ago
  "But first, a word from our sponsor!" is now the lead-in to more than half of the content I've consumed from YouTube in the last year. Why exactly am I paying Google for again? Remind me: Is it so that I don't see ads, or so that the artists are properly compensated? I'm asking because my bank account is lighter, Google has made records profits, but neither of the two outcomes above has occurred...
  - manigandham 6y ago
    It's user generated content. What is Google supposed to do about sponsors in videos? Technically the Youtube subscription is for the platform itself and extra features, and a little bit of the money is shared with creators in return for removing the ads. They actually make less with Youtube premium users, and if you paid them the same as their ad revenue then your total subscription would be much higher.
    - jiggawatts 6y ago
      Not give a slice of the paid subscription pie to videos containing ads.
      - manigandham 6y ago
        That's not currently possible. They can barely keep up with moderation, even with all the automation.

manigandham 6y ago

Either the payments aren't enough to cover everything or the service wants to make more. Anyways, the only "theory" is that costs need to be paid, and you can't have no ads and no payments and expect that to work.

liability 6y ago
How much money do I have to give the NYTimes before they give me a newpaper without ads? The answer seems to be that it's not something they're selling. I don't think they ever have, and I don't really expect they ever will. Hence ad blockers, without a shred of remorse.
- manigandham 6y ago
  If they don't provide it then you can opt to just not read it. Not paying and not viewing ads is clearly expecting free content, the very same expectation that pushed so many ads online in the first place.
  - liability 6y ago
    Or I can use an adblocker and give such businesses the finger. I will continue to do this. If they don't like it, the ball is in their court. Let them try to stop me, ruining their site in the process for anybody who pays for a subscription while blocking their ads, or offer an ad-free service to people who pay. Either way, using an adblocker is a clear win for me and nobody can provide me with a compelling reason to stop. Whining about how I'm being unfair to the poor w'ittle corporation isn't persuasive. It was never my intention to follow the rules of the game they want me to play.
  - phone8675309 6y ago
    This is what I do - if you won't give me an ad free version then I'm not interested. My local newspaper is dying and I don't feel sorry for them.

floatboth 6y ago

I pay for YouTube Premium and don't get ads. Other than sponsorships in the videos, but they're not nearly as annoying as external ads. Oh and some channels cross-post their videos to a paid platform called Nebula – there you can often find non-sponsored versions even.

jiggawatts 6y ago
"But first, a word from our sponsor!" is now the lead-in to more than half of the content I've consumed from YouTube in the last year. Why exactly am I paying Google for again? Remind me: Is it so that I don't see ads, or so that the artists are properly compensated? I'm asking because my bank account is lighter, Google has made records profits, but neither of the two outcomes above has occurred...
- manigandham 6y ago
  It's user generated content. What is Google supposed to do about sponsors in videos? Technically the Youtube subscription is for the platform itself and extra features, and a little bit of the money is shared with creators in return for removing the ads. They actually make less with Youtube premium users, and if you paid them the same as their ad revenue then your total subscription would be much higher.
  - jiggawatts 6y ago
    Not give a slice of the paid subscription pie to videos containing ads.
    - manigandham 6y ago
      That's not currently possible. They can barely keep up with moderation, even with all the automation.