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This isn't Elon's Hyperloop for those wondering. The term Hyperloop's been misappropriated and applied to different technology to piggyback on the hype Elon cau

by loceng 6y ago

This isn't Elon's Hyperloop for those wondering. The term Hyperloop's been misappropriated and applied to different technology to piggyback on the hype Elon caused.

Alupis 6y ago
No, that's wrong. "Hyperloop" was never going to work, so Musk spun it off into this "competition" that still has people trying to figure out some way to make something that even resembles his original mutterings. Today, this almost always manifests itself as a maglev train in a tube. This way, Musk saves face by not failing publically. If the idea fails, he can just say "It was in your hands, I left the idea with you!" Pretty clever exploit...
- loceng 6y ago
  Quite the mental gymnastics you've done to put down an idea, while presenting no evidence as to why it won't work. Go to boringcompany.com to see what they're currently up to + they've had competition for university teams to develop the skate that you're vehicle would be accelerated by in the Hyperloop. Elon has the engineering team, along with himself, from SpaceX to reference and understand the physics of the tunnel transportation systems they are developing.
  - legolas2412 6y ago
    boring company is not building hyperloop. The urban loop or the boring company loops are just small tunnels. Nor is spacex building anything, but a small tunnel to do pod design competitions. Many things are wrong with the hyperloop or loop proposals. The first is that they are unproven and wildly off cost estimate. Elon musk waived off hyperloop costs by declaring that they can be built along pylons on existing highways. But that's absurd, as existing highways are built to the standard of 70-80 mph, and for the proposed speeds of 400-500 mph, the curvatures of the road, and the twists and the turns are completely different. Hence, land acquisition costs do not go away. The same thing applies to boring company's loop. If you are going to zip at 150mph, the curvatures are steep, and any common tunnel will slow it down. I watched a few videos doing a more thorough analysis. If you're interested, I'll try to find and share them.
    - loceng 6y ago
      They're doing tunnels, not pylons to avoid those frictions. The Boring Company is moving forward at a good pace, including still doing competitions for last 4 years at universities for teams to create the best skate that will be used to accelerate vehicles in the Hyperloop.
  - Alupis 6y ago
    > Elon has the engineering team, along with himself, from SpaceX to reference and understand the physics of the tunnel transportation systems they are developing. This is nonesense. Being an "Engineer" doesn't automatically make you capable of engineering anything. Engineering rockets is a very different discipline from engineering tunnels in earth and rock. I'd be surprised if anything other than very basic physics applied to both problems. And... let's not kid ourselves. Musk is not engineering anything at any of his companies.
    - loceng 6y ago
      If you understood how learning worked then yes, if you're a good engineer you will be capable of applying those skills and mathematics to whatever engineering problems they are - which doesn't exclude also hiring experts that are further along in knowledge and understanding than you and learning more for yourself. And you're right the engineering is similar but different, the real additional value comes from the CEO then making the right organizational calls - which he can do because of his engineering and prior experiencing starting and scaling companies. You simply disbelieving Musk is an engineer is you getting in the way of yourself.
- loceng 6y ago
  Clearly Elon's afraid of failure too, good thing he didn't associate himself with highly difficult industries with very high probability of failure of creating an EV or reusable rockets!
  - Alupis 6y ago
    There is a clear difference between building a new EV car or rocket (both mature technologies in their own right), and inventing a new technology from thin air that seems to defy the physical, economic and political realities of this world. Upon realizing this idea was literally impossible to achieve - he stepped away. That was to protect himself from a very public failure.
    - loceng 6y ago
      You're further highlighting your ignorance with this comment, you're so sure of yourself - I'm curious if you have other published predictions like this where you were correct in your speculation? Reusable rockets didn't exist, and likewise boring technology and the ability to create an almost-vaccuum to full vaccuum to accelerate a skate to high-speed isn't rocket science in comparison - or perhaps it's at par with rocket science and its physics. Simply merging separate technologies to make a better system is still work but not impossible. You keep saying Elon stepped away from the tech except you're ignoring that The Boring Company is going forward strongly, including university competitions the last 4 years to create the fastest/best skate to accelerate. Your arguments come from wrong assumptions and inconsistency in understanding different technology.

by loceng 6y ago

This isn't Elon's Hyperloop for those wondering. The term Hyperloop's been misappropriated and applied to different technology to piggyback on the hype Elon caused.

Alupis 6y ago

No, that's wrong. "Hyperloop" was never going to work, so Musk spun it off into this "competition" that still has people trying to figure out some way to make something that even resembles his original mutterings. Today, this almost always manifests itself as a maglev train in a tube. This way, Musk saves face by not failing publically. If the idea fails, he can just say "It was in your hands, I left the idea with you!" Pretty clever exploit...

loceng 6y ago
Quite the mental gymnastics you've done to put down an idea, while presenting no evidence as to why it won't work. Go to boringcompany.com to see what they're currently up to + they've had competition for university teams to develop the skate that you're vehicle would be accelerated by in the Hyperloop. Elon has the engineering team, along with himself, from SpaceX to reference and understand the physics of the tunnel transportation systems they are developing.
- legolas2412 6y ago
  boring company is not building hyperloop. The urban loop or the boring company loops are just small tunnels. Nor is spacex building anything, but a small tunnel to do pod design competitions. Many things are wrong with the hyperloop or loop proposals. The first is that they are unproven and wildly off cost estimate. Elon musk waived off hyperloop costs by declaring that they can be built along pylons on existing highways. But that's absurd, as existing highways are built to the standard of 70-80 mph, and for the proposed speeds of 400-500 mph, the curvatures of the road, and the twists and the turns are completely different. Hence, land acquisition costs do not go away. The same thing applies to boring company's loop. If you are going to zip at 150mph, the curvatures are steep, and any common tunnel will slow it down. I watched a few videos doing a more thorough analysis. If you're interested, I'll try to find and share them.
  - loceng 6y ago
    They're doing tunnels, not pylons to avoid those frictions. The Boring Company is moving forward at a good pace, including still doing competitions for last 4 years at universities for teams to create the best skate that will be used to accelerate vehicles in the Hyperloop.
- Alupis 6y ago
  > Elon has the engineering team, along with himself, from SpaceX to reference and understand the physics of the tunnel transportation systems they are developing. This is nonesense. Being an "Engineer" doesn't automatically make you capable of engineering anything. Engineering rockets is a very different discipline from engineering tunnels in earth and rock. I'd be surprised if anything other than very basic physics applied to both problems. And... let's not kid ourselves. Musk is not engineering anything at any of his companies.
  - loceng 6y ago
    If you understood how learning worked then yes, if you're a good engineer you will be capable of applying those skills and mathematics to whatever engineering problems they are - which doesn't exclude also hiring experts that are further along in knowledge and understanding than you and learning more for yourself. And you're right the engineering is similar but different, the real additional value comes from the CEO then making the right organizational calls - which he can do because of his engineering and prior experiencing starting and scaling companies. You simply disbelieving Musk is an engineer is you getting in the way of yourself.
loceng 6y ago
Clearly Elon's afraid of failure too, good thing he didn't associate himself with highly difficult industries with very high probability of failure of creating an EV or reusable rockets!
- Alupis 6y ago
  There is a clear difference between building a new EV car or rocket (both mature technologies in their own right), and inventing a new technology from thin air that seems to defy the physical, economic and political realities of this world. Upon realizing this idea was literally impossible to achieve - he stepped away. That was to protect himself from a very public failure.
  - loceng 6y ago
    You're further highlighting your ignorance with this comment, you're so sure of yourself - I'm curious if you have other published predictions like this where you were correct in your speculation? Reusable rockets didn't exist, and likewise boring technology and the ability to create an almost-vaccuum to full vaccuum to accelerate a skate to high-speed isn't rocket science in comparison - or perhaps it's at par with rocket science and its physics. Simply merging separate technologies to make a better system is still work but not impossible. You keep saying Elon stepped away from the tech except you're ignoring that The Boring Company is going forward strongly, including university competitions the last 4 years to create the fastest/best skate to accelerate. Your arguments come from wrong assumptions and inconsistency in understanding different technology.