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> Are you saying that viruses, malware, ransomware, keyloggers, multiple toolbars have not been a problem in general over two decades? Not for me. > You remem

> Are you saying that viruses, malware, ransomware, keyloggers, multiple toolbars have not been a problem in general over two decades? Not for me. > You remember when “reputable” sites like SourceForge were bundling adware? Sure. What's your point? I think I know: You would gladly trade the freedom of the general population for security. If so - I'm sorry to hear that. If not, maybe you should think about what you're saying because you're on the wrong side of the debate.

scarface74 6y ago
> Not for me. So would Apple be better off serving you or the general population? I think the numbers speak for themselves. > I think I know: You would gladly trade the freedom of the general population for security. If so - I'm sorry to hear that. If not, maybe you should think about what you're saying because you're on the wrong side of the debate. Yes because when the founding fathers came up with the phrase they were referring to the “freedom” to save a little money buying virtual currency to buy the Carlton dance in Fortnite. You are perfectly free to buy an Android device. Most people would gladly choose some type of assurance that they could install video conferencing software and not have a secret web server installed that they don’t know to delete (ie Zoom)
- wayneftw 6y ago
  We are also perfectly free to enforce our existing anti-trust laws and make new laws for important digital platforms as we see fit. Seems like a better option than just letting big corps do whatever they want. There's more of us than them.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Can you name one time where the government was involved in tech where it didn’t do more harm than good in the last 30 years? The DMCA? COPPA? You actually trust the same group of representatives that were drilling Zuckerberg about Twitter’s policies to understand tech? Even in California where they passed laws that were suppose to “help” Uber and Lyft drivers had the effect of making it harder for truck drivers who wanted to contract to do so. Let’s just come up with “Five Year Plans”, because feels cant fathom that 50% of the US willingly made a choice to be in the “walled gardened”. Just like after everything that happened with the Microsoft and the Justice Department, “the Year of Linux on the Desktop” never happened and everyone is not compiling their own operating system.

scarface74 6y ago

> Not for me. So would Apple be better off serving you or the general population? I think the numbers speak for themselves. > I think I know: You would gladly trade the freedom of the general population for security. If so - I'm sorry to hear that. If not, maybe you should think about what you're saying because you're on the wrong side of the debate. Yes because when the founding fathers came up with the phrase they were referring to the “freedom” to save a little money buying virtual currency to buy the Carlton dance in Fortnite. You are perfectly free to buy an Android device. Most people would gladly choose some type of assurance that they could install video conferencing software and not have a secret web server installed that they don’t know to delete (ie Zoom)

wayneftw 6y ago
We are also perfectly free to enforce our existing anti-trust laws and make new laws for important digital platforms as we see fit. Seems like a better option than just letting big corps do whatever they want. There's more of us than them.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Can you name one time where the government was involved in tech where it didn’t do more harm than good in the last 30 years? The DMCA? COPPA? You actually trust the same group of representatives that were drilling Zuckerberg about Twitter’s policies to understand tech? Even in California where they passed laws that were suppose to “help” Uber and Lyft drivers had the effect of making it harder for truck drivers who wanted to contract to do so. Let’s just come up with “Five Year Plans”, because feels cant fathom that 50% of the US willingly made a choice to be in the “walled gardened”. Just like after everything that happened with the Microsoft and the Justice Department, “the Year of Linux on the Desktop” never happened and everyone is not compiling their own operating system.