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this is a problem with Mozilla in general they gradually remove features essential 1-2% of the userbase and now they're getting to the point they have no users

this is a problem with Mozilla in general they gradually remove features essential 1-2% of the userbase and now they're getting to the point they have no users at all the main reason to use Firefox over Chrome on mobile is the extension support, and now that's gone too

vlod 6y ago
>the main reason to use Firefox over Chrome on mobile is >the extension support, and now that's gone too That's not quite accurate. From "Firefox for Android upgrade FAQs" https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-android-upgrade-faqs https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-android-upgrade... Supported add-ons (note: currently, a limited number of Recommended Extensions are supported. Here's the list: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?recommended=true&type=extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?recommended... Things like uBlock-Origin etc are there, so I'm happy.
- neiman 6y ago
  It's a limited unsatisfying list for me. Allowing only extensions monitored by Mozilla is against the great free internet spirit that Mozilla was functioning under till now. If I want only monitored stuff I may as well switch to Google...
  - ifmpx 6y ago
    > If I want only monitored stuff I may as well switch to Google... I was thinking this to myself. I use firefox on android because I have a set of addons that I refuse to browse the web without. If firefox can't run the addons I want, I might as well switch to the builtin browser instead.
    - anonymousab 6y ago
      Mozilla seems to be banking on "a freer/opener web" being a convincing selling point on its own. But at that point, they might as well just rebadge chromium like all the others. Corralling power users into a separate app version ala Nightly now comes across as a vain attempt at creating a longterm offramp to avoid backlash. It really makes you think "what's the point?" about it all.
    - vlod 6y ago
      Well the built in browser is Chrome (on Android). Come back and let me know how that works. :) Maybe you've forgotten the cesspool that the web has become, with all the crappy adverts and popups. I'm just glad I can run ublock-origin, the rest I'll wait for a bit.
  - vlod 6y ago
    >Allowing only extensions monitored by Mozilla is against the great free internet spirit that Mozilla was functioning under till now. I feel the same way.. I would suggest to a have a LITTLE patience. They'll most likely get more extensions going forwards or people will fix the ones you use.
liability 6y ago
But their telemetry says each of the thousand features removed is a mere papercut!
- Feolkin 6y ago
  I feel like one of the worst things to happen to software engineering is telemetry. It just leads to companies cutting all the features that I like.
  - kikokikokiko 6y ago
    Power users in general will dsable telemetry, so the bulk of the data these companies get come from the patterns of usage of the lowest common denominator users. It's no surprise then that everything that appeals to power users is slowly but surely removed from future iterations of the software in question. Mozilla is just another dumb corporation circling the drain of death at this point.
  - liability 6y ago
    In my experience, people often make decisions first then go trawling through sea of data, selecting metrics which support their decision and ignoring those that contradict it. Intentionally or not, much of this stuff is essentially p-hacked.

vlod 6y ago

>the main reason to use Firefox over Chrome on mobile is >the extension support, and now that's gone too That's not quite accurate. From "Firefox for Android upgrade FAQs" https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-android-upgrade-faqs https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-android-upgrade... Supported add-ons (note: currently, a limited number of Recommended Extensions are supported. Here's the list: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?recommended=true&type=extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/search/?recommended... Things like uBlock-Origin etc are there, so I'm happy.

neiman 6y ago
It's a limited unsatisfying list for me. Allowing only extensions monitored by Mozilla is against the great free internet spirit that Mozilla was functioning under till now. If I want only monitored stuff I may as well switch to Google...
- ifmpx 6y ago
  > If I want only monitored stuff I may as well switch to Google... I was thinking this to myself. I use firefox on android because I have a set of addons that I refuse to browse the web without. If firefox can't run the addons I want, I might as well switch to the builtin browser instead.
  - anonymousab 6y ago
    Mozilla seems to be banking on "a freer/opener web" being a convincing selling point on its own. But at that point, they might as well just rebadge chromium like all the others. Corralling power users into a separate app version ala Nightly now comes across as a vain attempt at creating a longterm offramp to avoid backlash. It really makes you think "what's the point?" about it all.
  - vlod 6y ago
    Well the built in browser is Chrome (on Android). Come back and let me know how that works. :) Maybe you've forgotten the cesspool that the web has become, with all the crappy adverts and popups. I'm just glad I can run ublock-origin, the rest I'll wait for a bit.
- vlod 6y ago
  >Allowing only extensions monitored by Mozilla is against the great free internet spirit that Mozilla was functioning under till now. I feel the same way.. I would suggest to a have a LITTLE patience. They'll most likely get more extensions going forwards or people will fix the ones you use.

liability 6y ago

But their telemetry says each of the thousand features removed is a mere papercut!

Feolkin 6y ago
I feel like one of the worst things to happen to software engineering is telemetry. It just leads to companies cutting all the features that I like.
- kikokikokiko 6y ago
  Power users in general will dsable telemetry, so the bulk of the data these companies get come from the patterns of usage of the lowest common denominator users. It's no surprise then that everything that appeals to power users is slowly but surely removed from future iterations of the software in question. Mozilla is just another dumb corporation circling the drain of death at this point.
- liability 6y ago
  In my experience, people often make decisions first then go trawling through sea of data, selecting metrics which support their decision and ignoring those that contradict it. Intentionally or not, much of this stuff is essentially p-hacked.