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Information want to be free. Sooner or latter the information will leak. Especially as technology getting more advance, its getting easier and easier to do surv

by matz1 6y ago

Information want to be free. Sooner or latter the information will leak. Especially as technology getting more advance, its getting easier and easier to do surveillance, soon everyone can do that. The sooner we adapt with the life where all surveillance records is public the better. Beside it level the playing field, everyone has the same information.

pdonis 6y ago
> Information want to be free. You're welcome to let all of your private information out for everyone to see if that's what you believe. But people like me who do not want to do that should not be forced to. > The sooner we adapt with the life where all surveillance records is public the better. I strongly disagree.
- matz1 6y ago
  >You're welcome to let all of your private information out for everyone to see if that's what you believe I don't necessarily want to, I'm just being realistic and pragmatic. >But people like me who do not want to do that should not be forced to. No one is forced to but the inconvenience and the cost of keeping thing private will go up and up.
  - pdonis 6y ago
    > I'm just being realistic and pragmatic. Being realistic and pragmatic doesn't need to mean being defeatist. > the inconvenience and the cost of keeping thing private will go up and up Only if citizens let governments continue to increase their surveillance activities with no oversight and no pushback.
    - matz1 6y ago
      I'm not defeatist. I'm not defending less privacy for the sake of less privacy. In the end the goal is to not suffer. Whether its done through less privacy or more privacy doesn't really matter. >Only if citizens let governments continue to increase their surveillance activities with no oversight and no pushback I would rather push for more openness and transparency, open up the surveillance for everyone to reduce the information asymmetries. Or pushing for technology that enable citizen to survilance the government.
ACow_Adonis 6y ago
"information wants to be free". Does it though? I mean, I feel that trite little saying misses the point. Even in normal society we have obfuscation, camouflage, deception, data dumping, signalling. Plus data isn't just something one generates and consumes ad infinitum. It takes resources, those resources generate additional layers of data, and then the reciever/ interpreter requires both different levels of sophistication, sensitivity and mutually exclusive risk/reward trade offs in how to access, use and interpret said data. Already there is more information available on most people than any individual can access or consume. I don't think having "even more" is going to solve any problem... perhaps it's more accurate to say information is like water. Its generally leaky and gets everywhere, but that doesn't mean that lakes and rivers don't form. And while it's notionally plentiful, that doesn't mean it's equally accessible or utilised by everyone or that different players don't have equal levels of ability to exploit it.

by matz1 6y ago

pdonis 6y ago

> Information want to be free. You're welcome to let all of your private information out for everyone to see if that's what you believe. But people like me who do not want to do that should not be forced to. > The sooner we adapt with the life where all surveillance records is public the better. I strongly disagree.

matz1 6y ago
>You're welcome to let all of your private information out for everyone to see if that's what you believe I don't necessarily want to, I'm just being realistic and pragmatic. >But people like me who do not want to do that should not be forced to. No one is forced to but the inconvenience and the cost of keeping thing private will go up and up.
- pdonis 6y ago
  > I'm just being realistic and pragmatic. Being realistic and pragmatic doesn't need to mean being defeatist. > the inconvenience and the cost of keeping thing private will go up and up Only if citizens let governments continue to increase their surveillance activities with no oversight and no pushback.
  - matz1 6y ago
    I'm not defeatist. I'm not defending less privacy for the sake of less privacy. In the end the goal is to not suffer. Whether its done through less privacy or more privacy doesn't really matter. >Only if citizens let governments continue to increase their surveillance activities with no oversight and no pushback I would rather push for more openness and transparency, open up the surveillance for everyone to reduce the information asymmetries. Or pushing for technology that enable citizen to survilance the government.

ACow_Adonis 6y ago

"information wants to be free". Does it though? I mean, I feel that trite little saying misses the point. Even in normal society we have obfuscation, camouflage, deception, data dumping, signalling. Plus data isn't just something one generates and consumes ad infinitum. It takes resources, those resources generate additional layers of data, and then the reciever/ interpreter requires both different levels of sophistication, sensitivity and mutually exclusive risk/reward trade offs in how to access, use and interpret said data. Already there is more information available on most people than any individual can access or consume. I don't think having "even more" is going to solve any problem... perhaps it's more accurate to say information is like water. Its generally leaky and gets everywhere, but that doesn't mean that lakes and rivers don't form. And while it's notionally plentiful, that doesn't mean it's equally accessible or utilised by everyone or that different players don't have equal levels of ability to exploit it.