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Looks like the CoC mob has failed to run off a capable developer... for all we know that tenant might have one day contributed code - this is a gross violation

by tal8d 6y ago

Looks like the CoC mob has failed to run off a capable developer... for all we know that tenant might have one day contributed code - this is a gross violation of "applicable spaces" clause!

gjm11 6y ago
Whatever does this have to do with codes of conduct? I mean, maybe software projects should have CoCs that say "do not do things likely to kill your tenants", but normally they're concerned with conduct within a project, and in any case "the CoC mob" seems to indicate you're somehow arguing against having and enforcing CoCs. Is there some background here that makes your comment make more sense than I'm currently able to get out of it?
- tal8d 6y ago
  > Whatever does this have to do with codes of conduct? Whatever does a rental property issue have to do with OpenZFS? What about political contributions? Are you genuinely unaware of all the crazy witchhunts, totally unrelated to the code base, that have occurred as a result of this CoC push? Have you ever heard of ESR? http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8609 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8609
  - nosequel 6y ago
    To be fair, I was originally replying to the complements about how amazing Kip Macy is, not OpenZFS. If the parent comment was about OpenZFS, I wouldn't have replied. I thought posting about Macy's multiple felony counts is a solid response about how amazing he is at leading folks. Also gtfo with your anti-CoC outrage with this. He didn't get caught using the wrong pronoun in a code comment. > Kip Macy is accused of three felony conspiracy charges, three burglary charges, two stalking charges, two grand theft charges and one felony count of shutting off service
    - athms 6y ago
      That is why Kip goes by his middle name now. He also moved from California to Washington. This was big news in SF Bay Area when it happened. It was FreeBSD's Hans Reiser moment. Another gem, Kip kicked one tenant in the chest while he was sitting on the couch and threatened him with a gun. I am curious if he ever reimbursed his parents after they drained their retirement savings and offered their house as collateral to pay for his $500k bail, which was forfeited after Kip and his wife Nicole decided to skedaddle to Europe instead of appearing in court. Kip continued to work on FreeBSD while on the lam in Italy with full knowledge of the core team, with many members actually defending his behavior. Kip and Nicole also never showed for the civil trial and lost by default. The original plea deal offered by the DA, before they absconded, was 6 months in county jail with charges reduced to misdemeanors. Instead, both were sentenced for 4 felonies and got 4.5 years (reduced for good behavior), with Kip ending up in San Quentin -- a maximum security prison housing California's death row. I remember ABC News did an interview with Kip while he was incarcerated and he blamed his tenants for all his troubles. At least he can no longer (legally) possess a gun since he is a convicted felon.
      - senderista 6y ago
        This is indeed Hans Reiser-level drama. After reading about their shenanigans I can't believe anyone would choose to work with such a person. https://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-landlord-hell-defends-terrorizing-apartment-tenants/story?id=20875476 https://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-landlord-hell-defends-te...
  - gjm11 6y ago
    > Whatever does a rental property have to do with OpenZFS? Not much (though I think it's fair to say that when someone is praised for their "refined leadership" it's talking about more than just the quality of their code). In any case, "that other guy also said something irrelevant" isn't really to the point. > What about political contributions? What about them? > Are you genuinely unaware of all the crazy witchhunts [...] this CoC push? My confusion is because so far as I can see "this CoC push" has nothing to do with anything here, it's just something you want to talk about. The OP isn't about CoCs. The thread you replied to isn't about CoCs. The comment you replied to isn't about CoCs. Kip Macy's mistreatment of his tenants isn't about CoCs, or caused by CoCs, or prohibited by CoCs. The OpenZFS merge isn't about CoCs. (Well, quite possibly the OpenZFS project and/or the FreeBSD project have them, but so what?) > Have you ever heard of ESR? Yes. I don't look to him for political guidance, though. (Two other things, besides codes of conduct, that have nothing to do with anything in this discussion aside from your apparent wish to talk about them: political contributions, and Eric Raymond.)

by tal8d 6y ago

Looks like the CoC mob has failed to run off a capable developer... for all we know that tenant might have one day contributed code - this is a gross violation of "applicable spaces" clause!

gjm11 6y ago

Whatever does this have to do with codes of conduct? I mean, maybe software projects should have CoCs that say "do not do things likely to kill your tenants", but normally they're concerned with conduct within a project, and in any case "the CoC mob" seems to indicate you're somehow arguing against having and enforcing CoCs. Is there some background here that makes your comment make more sense than I'm currently able to get out of it?

tal8d 6y ago
> Whatever does this have to do with codes of conduct? Whatever does a rental property issue have to do with OpenZFS? What about political contributions? Are you genuinely unaware of all the crazy witchhunts, totally unrelated to the code base, that have occurred as a result of this CoC push? Have you ever heard of ESR? http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8609 http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8609
- nosequel 6y ago
  To be fair, I was originally replying to the complements about how amazing Kip Macy is, not OpenZFS. If the parent comment was about OpenZFS, I wouldn't have replied. I thought posting about Macy's multiple felony counts is a solid response about how amazing he is at leading folks. Also gtfo with your anti-CoC outrage with this. He didn't get caught using the wrong pronoun in a code comment. > Kip Macy is accused of three felony conspiracy charges, three burglary charges, two stalking charges, two grand theft charges and one felony count of shutting off service
  - athms 6y ago
    That is why Kip goes by his middle name now. He also moved from California to Washington. This was big news in SF Bay Area when it happened. It was FreeBSD's Hans Reiser moment. Another gem, Kip kicked one tenant in the chest while he was sitting on the couch and threatened him with a gun. I am curious if he ever reimbursed his parents after they drained their retirement savings and offered their house as collateral to pay for his $500k bail, which was forfeited after Kip and his wife Nicole decided to skedaddle to Europe instead of appearing in court. Kip continued to work on FreeBSD while on the lam in Italy with full knowledge of the core team, with many members actually defending his behavior. Kip and Nicole also never showed for the civil trial and lost by default. The original plea deal offered by the DA, before they absconded, was 6 months in county jail with charges reduced to misdemeanors. Instead, both were sentenced for 4 felonies and got 4.5 years (reduced for good behavior), with Kip ending up in San Quentin -- a maximum security prison housing California's death row. I remember ABC News did an interview with Kip while he was incarcerated and he blamed his tenants for all his troubles. At least he can no longer (legally) possess a gun since he is a convicted felon.
    - senderista 6y ago
      This is indeed Hans Reiser-level drama. After reading about their shenanigans I can't believe anyone would choose to work with such a person. https://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-landlord-hell-defends-terrorizing-apartment-tenants/story?id=20875476 https://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-landlord-hell-defends-te...
- gjm11 6y ago
  > Whatever does a rental property have to do with OpenZFS? Not much (though I think it's fair to say that when someone is praised for their "refined leadership" it's talking about more than just the quality of their code). In any case, "that other guy also said something irrelevant" isn't really to the point. > What about political contributions? What about them? > Are you genuinely unaware of all the crazy witchhunts [...] this CoC push? My confusion is because so far as I can see "this CoC push" has nothing to do with anything here, it's just something you want to talk about. The OP isn't about CoCs. The thread you replied to isn't about CoCs. The comment you replied to isn't about CoCs. Kip Macy's mistreatment of his tenants isn't about CoCs, or caused by CoCs, or prohibited by CoCs. The OpenZFS merge isn't about CoCs. (Well, quite possibly the OpenZFS project and/or the FreeBSD project have them, but so what?) > Have you ever heard of ESR? Yes. I don't look to him for political guidance, though. (Two other things, besides codes of conduct, that have nothing to do with anything in this discussion aside from your apparent wish to talk about them: political contributions, and Eric Raymond.)