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It would have been more of a victory if Apple followed through with the action, because repercussions would have hit far and wide. Fortnite's entrapment move w

by jariel 6y ago

It would have been more of a victory if Apple followed through with the action, because repercussions would have hit far and wide. Fortnite's entrapment move was powerful because Apple's actions are more exemplary than their threats. Perhaps it's time for some major app makers to have a day or two where they pull their apps.

ocdtrekkie 6y ago
> Perhaps it's time for some major app makers to have a day or two where they pull their apps. Epic's actions with Fortnite were effectively this. They were aware Apple would pull the app, but that them doing so would give them clear standing to sue Apple for the contract terms. For even a lot of "major" app makers though, pulling their apps off iOS in protest would put them out of business. (Even where Android excels in market share, Apple excels in revenue share by a wide margin.) By being a large multiplatform entity with more reliance on consoles and desktops, Epic is one of the few companies that can afford the hit to pick this fight.
- jariel 6y ago
  If Snapchat, Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, PayPal were all pulled for 2 days at the same time, and then put back up, it would make a huge international stink, global headlines to raise awareness. Literally Joe Biden would hear about it. Same day take out an editorial or page-sized ad in the Times. Apple needs apps as much as apps need them, it just takes enough coordination.
  - WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
    Prisoner's Dilemma is in action here. Pulling your app actually costs you money.
  - dwaite 6y ago
    If all those apps pulled their versions down at the same time, Facebook/Paypal/Whatapp could very well wind up in court over antitrust concerns as well.
    - jariel 6y ago
      No, Faceboook removing it's app from the appstore does not constitute an issue with anti-trust.
      - colejohnson66 6y ago
        It does if it’s coordinated
lhnz 6y ago
I agree that a co-ordinated effort could work, however, to cause Apple the maximum amount of brand/financial damage, it should be timed to the release of the new iPhones. If Spotify, Youtube and Netflix all pulled their apps a day after the release of the next phone, Apple would be in serious trouble that year. It would effectively permanently devalue their phones and by proxy Apple, because consumers wouldn't be able to trust that that it wouldn't happen again. It would certainly spook investors.

by jariel 6y ago

ocdtrekkie 6y ago

> Perhaps it's time for some major app makers to have a day or two where they pull their apps. Epic's actions with Fortnite were effectively this. They were aware Apple would pull the app, but that them doing so would give them clear standing to sue Apple for the contract terms. For even a lot of "major" app makers though, pulling their apps off iOS in protest would put them out of business. (Even where Android excels in market share, Apple excels in revenue share by a wide margin.) By being a large multiplatform entity with more reliance on consoles and desktops, Epic is one of the few companies that can afford the hit to pick this fight.

jariel 6y ago
If Snapchat, Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, PayPal were all pulled for 2 days at the same time, and then put back up, it would make a huge international stink, global headlines to raise awareness. Literally Joe Biden would hear about it. Same day take out an editorial or page-sized ad in the Times. Apple needs apps as much as apps need them, it just takes enough coordination.
- WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
  Prisoner's Dilemma is in action here. Pulling your app actually costs you money.
- dwaite 6y ago
  If all those apps pulled their versions down at the same time, Facebook/Paypal/Whatapp could very well wind up in court over antitrust concerns as well.
  - jariel 6y ago
    No, Faceboook removing it's app from the appstore does not constitute an issue with anti-trust.
    - colejohnson66 6y ago
      It does if it’s coordinated

lhnz 6y ago

I agree that a co-ordinated effort could work, however, to cause Apple the maximum amount of brand/financial damage, it should be timed to the release of the new iPhones. If Spotify, Youtube and Netflix all pulled their apps a day after the release of the next phone, Apple would be in serious trouble that year. It would effectively permanently devalue their phones and by proxy Apple, because consumers wouldn't be able to trust that that it wouldn't happen again. It would certainly spook investors.