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Some people choose to live in the country, off the grid, and wonder why people would want the live in a city (under closer scrutiny of others and the government

Some people choose to live in the country, off the grid, and wonder why people would want the live in a city (under closer scrutiny of others and the government). For this “freedom” to work they run all their own infrastructure, need to manage their own defense (against fire and wild animals), and have little or no support if things go really wrong but they prefer it this way, it suits them. Meanwhile the city dweller chooses the opposite for many reasons and makes different concessions, but it suits them. Neither is these are strictly wrong but to claim one is better than the other _for everyone_ is misguided and is essentially what this argument is here. Pick your own path but don’t presume it’s the right one for everybody and don’t destroy the other’s ecosystem such that they can no longer choose it.

badsectoracula 6y ago
As i wrote in another comment, those comparisons 99.9% of the time lose a ton of details so they are not helpful at all. The choice for others to have no choice is not really much of a choice - not only i want to have a choice in what i install on iOS devices but i also want the ability to have a choice available in all of the devices i paid for, especially in an environment where other companies see Apple's success and become too thirsty for it and try to copy them (see Microsoft as an example).
- PascLeRasc 6y ago
  All analogies will have that problem, it's unconstructive to dismiss them like this. Understanding this is part of how arguing and exchanging ideas takes place. I don't think it's Apple's fault if other companies try to copy them poorly. I'm very familiar with what you mean and it bothers me too, but I don't think that means Apple needs to change.
- hellisothers 6y ago
  You’re framing your preference for openness as a choice and another’s preference for regulation as “having no choice” which is exactly the problem I was trying to highlight. You see your option as the only option so all others are a mistake, and so are dictating what options are available (is only yours). Do you not see this is removing people’s choice? Especially if already today there are other ecosystems that cater to your desire?
  - badsectoracula 6y ago
    I do not make such a framing, the choice i describe is about what to install in your device - this assumes the ability is already there. I do not refer to having the ability itself as a choice.

badsectoracula 6y ago

As i wrote in another comment, those comparisons 99.9% of the time lose a ton of details so they are not helpful at all. The choice for others to have no choice is not really much of a choice - not only i want to have a choice in what i install on iOS devices but i also want the ability to have a choice available in all of the devices i paid for, especially in an environment where other companies see Apple's success and become too thirsty for it and try to copy them (see Microsoft as an example).

PascLeRasc 6y ago
All analogies will have that problem, it's unconstructive to dismiss them like this. Understanding this is part of how arguing and exchanging ideas takes place. I don't think it's Apple's fault if other companies try to copy them poorly. I'm very familiar with what you mean and it bothers me too, but I don't think that means Apple needs to change.
hellisothers 6y ago
You’re framing your preference for openness as a choice and another’s preference for regulation as “having no choice” which is exactly the problem I was trying to highlight. You see your option as the only option so all others are a mistake, and so are dictating what options are available (is only yours). Do you not see this is removing people’s choice? Especially if already today there are other ecosystems that cater to your desire?
- badsectoracula 6y ago
  I do not make such a framing, the choice i describe is about what to install in your device - this assumes the ability is already there. I do not refer to having the ability itself as a choice.