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You understand why others find it strange you don't and why they do though, right?

ericmay 6y ago
I think it’s strange that others (a small subset of people) want to take something great and ruin it. I understand that someone wants to tinker with their phone, but in that case that’s just not what an iPhone is for. It never has been.
- marakv2 6y ago
  You think that allowing another app store will ruin your iPhone? That's incorrect. Just don't use it.
  - Humdeee 6y ago
    > Just don't use it What's the argument here, why not just don't use an iPhone then? Why turn an iPhone into more of an Android? I have an iPhone because I don't want to be like an Android. It's a feature to me that this (and other possibilities, bad and good) is not possible, hence why I bought it.
    - Waterfall 6y ago
      Sorry because it's been jailbroken you are forced to use alternate stores on iOS. Or you could just not use it.
    - stale2002 6y ago
      > I have an iPhone because I don't want to be like an Android. But you don't have to have it be like Android.... All you have to do is not install other app sores.
      - veilrap 6y ago
        The lack of ability to install other App Stores reduces fragmentation and potentially improves the overall user experience of the product. If I wanted choice in App Stores I would buy an Android phone. I don't care about choice of App Stores and I prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. Therefore, I bought an iOS device.
        stale2002 6y ago
        > I don't care about choice of App Stores and I prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. And you can have that. By not installing other app stores. > reduces fragmentation You don't have to fragment anything. Just only use the Apple App store. > If I wanted choice in App Stores You are not forced into choosing anything. All you have to do is not install other app stores, and you don't have to worry about choice. > improves the overall user experience of the product. You can have this improvement! If the Apple app store provides this value, then just only use the Apple app store.
        Humdeee 6y ago
        All these points are moot as the main Appstore would be made much less valuable because it is assumed many major app players would diverge away. Even quoting the line, it was still largely glossed over: > ...prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. What is consistent when every app player is part of a different app store? Suddenly Microsoft has their own, Google has their own, Epic Games as their own, etc. No thank you.
        stale2002 6y ago
        > What is consistent What is consistent would be your experience if you choose to only use the Apple App store. That experience would remain consistent. > No thank you. Then don't use those app stores? If the conversation is about your rights, as an Apple user, then other people doing what they want with their own phones does not matter. Someone can, right now, remove their app from the Apple app store, and nobody would claim that if they did they, then they are infringing on your rights as a user. So I am not sure why you would bring that up. Nobody would claim that you are forced to do anything, if an app just removed themselves completely from an app store, so that is not relevant.
    - marakv2 6y ago
      Your essentially saying, you won't use hardware x because software y is available. Allowing me to use software y does not impact you.
      - Humdeee 6y ago
        Me choosing to use hardware x because software y is unavailable does not impact you either. You don't like iPhone or any "i" environment, don't use it. You have to understand that to many of us it is very much a feature that it's not possible to sideload or allow more control of your device. It's not lack of a feature, it is a feature. Just as much as a feature to you is the ability to sideload or take more control. This is why I should buy an iPhone and you should not. My preferences are different than yours. I do not want you, myself, or others to have some of these abilities; not merely the option not to use them. I very much like the iPhone because of design architecture differences over Android. It's not perfect but (imo) closer to perfect than Android. We live in a world with many options and not all must subscribe to the same paradigm.
  - yibg 6y ago
    I don't understand this argument of pushing for change and if people don't like the change, well don't use it. Why don't you just not use it then if you don't like it the way it is?
sjwright 6y ago
I think it's strange that you don't want me to have the product I want to have. Nobody is forcing you to buy an Apple product, and there are plenty of stellar alternative products from numerous other brands.
- badsectoracula 6y ago
  The main issue with iOS isn't really so much iOS itself but the secondary effects it has over the entire industry - after all it has been very clear that Microsoft is salivating over the prospect of being Apple v2.0 and having as much control over the PC ecosystem as Apple has over the iOS ecosystem.
  - hellisothers 6y ago
    Are you telling me there is no “Linux of mobile devices” out there? I’m struggling to recall but I feel like there have been many much more open devices _and_ OSs our there but it turns out consumers don’t care enough about those aspects to want that.
    - badsectoracula 6y ago
      Well, Android is technically "Linux of mobile devices", though i guess you didn't mean that :-P. But yes, the options are too few and things can go like apples - one bad Apple can spoil the bunch.
- Waterfall 6y ago
  What is in the level on apple silicon?
- ksk 6y ago
  I don't want Apple exploiting their vendor lock-in and robbing other companies of 30% sales of a digital only product, even if it doesn't personally impact me. That is not strange or hard to understand IMHO. >Nobody is forcing you to buy an Apple product, and there are plenty of stellar alternative products from numerous other brands. We want to fix things (even in companies that we otherwise might like) that we think are morally unacceptable. That's how progress is made. You can advocate your own position too, nothing wrong with both of us doing so.

I think it’s strange that others (a small subset of people) want to take something great and ruin it. I understand that someone wants to tinker with their phone, but in that case that’s just not what an iPhone is for. It never has been.

marakv2 6y ago
You think that allowing another app store will ruin your iPhone? That's incorrect. Just don't use it.
- Humdeee 6y ago
  > Just don't use it What's the argument here, why not just don't use an iPhone then? Why turn an iPhone into more of an Android? I have an iPhone because I don't want to be like an Android. It's a feature to me that this (and other possibilities, bad and good) is not possible, hence why I bought it.
  - Waterfall 6y ago
    Sorry because it's been jailbroken you are forced to use alternate stores on iOS. Or you could just not use it.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    > I have an iPhone because I don't want to be like an Android. But you don't have to have it be like Android.... All you have to do is not install other app sores.
    - veilrap 6y ago
      The lack of ability to install other App Stores reduces fragmentation and potentially improves the overall user experience of the product. If I wanted choice in App Stores I would buy an Android phone. I don't care about choice of App Stores and I prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. Therefore, I bought an iOS device.
      - stale2002 6y ago
        > I don't care about choice of App Stores and I prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. And you can have that. By not installing other app stores. > reduces fragmentation You don't have to fragment anything. Just only use the Apple App store. > If I wanted choice in App Stores You are not forced into choosing anything. All you have to do is not install other app stores, and you don't have to worry about choice. > improves the overall user experience of the product. You can have this improvement! If the Apple app store provides this value, then just only use the Apple app store.
        Humdeee 6y ago
        All these points are moot as the main Appstore would be made much less valuable because it is assumed many major app players would diverge away. Even quoting the line, it was still largely glossed over: > ...prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. What is consistent when every app player is part of a different app store? Suddenly Microsoft has their own, Google has their own, Epic Games as their own, etc. No thank you.
        stale2002 6y ago
        > What is consistent What is consistent would be your experience if you choose to only use the Apple App store. That experience would remain consistent. > No thank you. Then don't use those app stores? If the conversation is about your rights, as an Apple user, then other people doing what they want with their own phones does not matter. Someone can, right now, remove their app from the Apple app store, and nobody would claim that if they did they, then they are infringing on your rights as a user. So I am not sure why you would bring that up. Nobody would claim that you are forced to do anything, if an app just removed themselves completely from an app store, so that is not relevant.
  - marakv2 6y ago
    Your essentially saying, you won't use hardware x because software y is available. Allowing me to use software y does not impact you.
    - Humdeee 6y ago
      Me choosing to use hardware x because software y is unavailable does not impact you either. You don't like iPhone or any "i" environment, don't use it. You have to understand that to many of us it is very much a feature that it's not possible to sideload or allow more control of your device. It's not lack of a feature, it is a feature. Just as much as a feature to you is the ability to sideload or take more control. This is why I should buy an iPhone and you should not. My preferences are different than yours. I do not want you, myself, or others to have some of these abilities; not merely the option not to use them. I very much like the iPhone because of design architecture differences over Android. It's not perfect but (imo) closer to perfect than Android. We live in a world with many options and not all must subscribe to the same paradigm.
- yibg 6y ago
  I don't understand this argument of pushing for change and if people don't like the change, well don't use it. Why don't you just not use it then if you don't like it the way it is?

sjwright 6y ago

I think it's strange that you don't want me to have the product I want to have. Nobody is forcing you to buy an Apple product, and there are plenty of stellar alternative products from numerous other brands.

badsectoracula 6y ago
The main issue with iOS isn't really so much iOS itself but the secondary effects it has over the entire industry - after all it has been very clear that Microsoft is salivating over the prospect of being Apple v2.0 and having as much control over the PC ecosystem as Apple has over the iOS ecosystem.
- hellisothers 6y ago
  Are you telling me there is no “Linux of mobile devices” out there? I’m struggling to recall but I feel like there have been many much more open devices _and_ OSs our there but it turns out consumers don’t care enough about those aspects to want that.
  - badsectoracula 6y ago
    Well, Android is technically "Linux of mobile devices", though i guess you didn't mean that :-P. But yes, the options are too few and things can go like apples - one bad Apple can spoil the bunch.
Waterfall 6y ago
What is in the level on apple silicon?
ksk 6y ago
I don't want Apple exploiting their vendor lock-in and robbing other companies of 30% sales of a digital only product, even if it doesn't personally impact me. That is not strange or hard to understand IMHO. >Nobody is forcing you to buy an Apple product, and there are plenty of stellar alternative products from numerous other brands. We want to fix things (even in companies that we otherwise might like) that we think are morally unacceptable. That's how progress is made. You can advocate your own position too, nothing wrong with both of us doing so.