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You don't want the full capabilities of your hardware you paid for? The Nvidia Jetson is the controllable version of the switch and it's much weaker. You don't

You don't want the full capabilities of your hardware you paid for? The Nvidia Jetson is the controllable version of the switch and it's much weaker. You don't want your switch to play games and be a hardware accelerator? You don't want the best silicon to run your own software?

ericmay 6y ago
No I don’t want any of that. I want the iPhone as-is.
- Waterfall 6y ago
  You understand why others find it strange you don't and why they do though, right?
  - ericmay 6y ago
    I think it’s strange that others (a small subset of people) want to take something great and ruin it. I understand that someone wants to tinker with their phone, but in that case that’s just not what an iPhone is for. It never has been.
    - marakv2 6y ago
      You think that allowing another app store will ruin your iPhone? That's incorrect. Just don't use it.
      - Humdeee 6y ago
        > Just don't use it What's the argument here, why not just don't use an iPhone then? Why turn an iPhone into more of an Android? I have an iPhone because I don't want to be like an Android. It's a feature to me that this (and other possibilities, bad and good) is not possible, hence why I bought it.
        Waterfall 6y ago
        Sorry because it's been jailbroken you are forced to use alternate stores on iOS. Or you could just not use it.
        stale2002 6y ago
        > I have an iPhone because I don't want to be like an Android. But you don't have to have it be like Android.... All you have to do is not install other app sores.
        veilrap 6y ago
        The lack of ability to install other App Stores reduces fragmentation and potentially improves the overall user experience of the product. If I wanted choice in App Stores I would buy an Android phone. I don't care about choice of App Stores and I prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. Therefore, I bought an iOS device.
        stale2002 6y ago
        > I don't care about choice of App Stores and I prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. And you can have that. By not installing other app stores. > reduces fragmentation You don't have to fragment anything. Just only use the Apple App store. > If I wanted choice in App Stores You are not forced into choosing anything. All you have to do is not install other app stores, and you don't have to worry about choice. > improves the overall user experience of the product. You can have this improvement! If the Apple app store provides this value, then just only use the Apple app store.
        Humdeee 6y ago
        All these points are moot as the main Appstore would be made much less valuable because it is assumed many major app players would diverge away. Even quoting the line, it was still largely glossed over: > ...prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. What is consistent when every app player is part of a different app store? Suddenly Microsoft has their own, Google has their own, Epic Games as their own, etc. No thank you.
      - yibg 6y ago
        I don't understand this argument of pushing for change and if people don't like the change, well don't use it. Why don't you just not use it then if you don't like it the way it is?
  - sjwright 6y ago
    I think it's strange that you don't want me to have the product I want to have. Nobody is forcing you to buy an Apple product, and there are plenty of stellar alternative products from numerous other brands.
    - badsectoracula 6y ago
      The main issue with iOS isn't really so much iOS itself but the secondary effects it has over the entire industry - after all it has been very clear that Microsoft is salivating over the prospect of being Apple v2.0 and having as much control over the PC ecosystem as Apple has over the iOS ecosystem.
      - hellisothers 6y ago
        Are you telling me there is no “Linux of mobile devices” out there? I’m struggling to recall but I feel like there have been many much more open devices _and_ OSs our there but it turns out consumers don’t care enough about those aspects to want that.
        badsectoracula 6y ago
        Well, Android is technically "Linux of mobile devices", though i guess you didn't mean that :-P. But yes, the options are too few and things can go like apples - one bad Apple can spoil the bunch.
    - Waterfall 6y ago
      What is in the level on apple silicon?
    - ksk 6y ago
      I don't want Apple exploiting their vendor lock-in and robbing other companies of 30% sales of a digital only product, even if it doesn't personally impact me. That is not strange or hard to understand IMHO. >Nobody is forcing you to buy an Apple product, and there are plenty of stellar alternative products from numerous other brands. We want to fix things (even in companies that we otherwise might like) that we think are morally unacceptable. That's how progress is made. You can advocate your own position too, nothing wrong with both of us doing so.
dkonofalski 6y ago
The capabilities that I paid for are what I got. I did not pay for a device that lets me install whatever app or widget I want. I paid for an iPhone knowing exactly what it was and wasn't capable of and I paid for that specifically because I know that Apple doesn't need to dedicate resources to anything other than my device. Taking that away changes the entire ecosystem and all the benefits presented by it. Look at Macs vs. PCs. There are entire industries dedicated to fixing the problems presented by the amount of options available on a PC. I don't want that. I want a device that I know works to do the things I need it to do. If the day comes where I need to do something I can't, I'll need to find another device.
- Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
  So, will you be happy if the government asks Apple to remove every messenger that allows encryption? That's what users in China get. Also, it's nice that you mention Macs. On Macs, you can install any app bypassing the AppStore. As it should be on a proper computer, and iPhone IS a computer.
  - spideymans 6y ago
    Have you seen what the average Mac user’s computer often looks like? It’s often a mess of five years old Adobe flash update messages, and adware like MacKeeper. I know because I’ve had to spend hours cleaning this trash up from machines belonging to friends and family. Meanwhile this has never been an issue on the iPhone. The lack of UX-degrading software on the iPad is also the primary reason why I’ve been pushing my friends and family away from the Mac and onto the iPad. With the limited software ecosystem of the iPad, there’s far less things for them to screw up on the Mac.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
      Well, some people just love their chains. It is ok, I guess, their right to agree to bondage. But why do they insist that everyone else should be as enslaved as they are themselves? And yes,I've seen Macs of average users. Never saw anything really wrong there. You are exaggerating the issue.

ericmay 6y ago

No I don’t want any of that. I want the iPhone as-is.

Waterfall 6y ago
You understand why others find it strange you don't and why they do though, right?
- ericmay 6y ago
  I think it’s strange that others (a small subset of people) want to take something great and ruin it. I understand that someone wants to tinker with their phone, but in that case that’s just not what an iPhone is for. It never has been.
  - marakv2 6y ago
    You think that allowing another app store will ruin your iPhone? That's incorrect. Just don't use it.
    - Humdeee 6y ago
      > Just don't use it What's the argument here, why not just don't use an iPhone then? Why turn an iPhone into more of an Android? I have an iPhone because I don't want to be like an Android. It's a feature to me that this (and other possibilities, bad and good) is not possible, hence why I bought it.
      - Waterfall 6y ago
        Sorry because it's been jailbroken you are forced to use alternate stores on iOS. Or you could just not use it.
      - stale2002 6y ago
        > I have an iPhone because I don't want to be like an Android. But you don't have to have it be like Android.... All you have to do is not install other app sores.
        veilrap 6y ago
        The lack of ability to install other App Stores reduces fragmentation and potentially improves the overall user experience of the product. If I wanted choice in App Stores I would buy an Android phone. I don't care about choice of App Stores and I prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. Therefore, I bought an iOS device.
        stale2002 6y ago
        > I don't care about choice of App Stores and I prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. And you can have that. By not installing other app stores. > reduces fragmentation You don't have to fragment anything. Just only use the Apple App store. > If I wanted choice in App Stores You are not forced into choosing anything. All you have to do is not install other app stores, and you don't have to worry about choice. > improves the overall user experience of the product. You can have this improvement! If the Apple app store provides this value, then just only use the Apple app store.
        Humdeee 6y ago
        All these points are moot as the main Appstore would be made much less valuable because it is assumed many major app players would diverge away. Even quoting the line, it was still largely glossed over: > ...prefer the consistency of a single, consistent, secure source of Apps. What is consistent when every app player is part of a different app store? Suddenly Microsoft has their own, Google has their own, Epic Games as their own, etc. No thank you.
    - yibg 6y ago
      I don't understand this argument of pushing for change and if people don't like the change, well don't use it. Why don't you just not use it then if you don't like it the way it is?
- sjwright 6y ago
  I think it's strange that you don't want me to have the product I want to have. Nobody is forcing you to buy an Apple product, and there are plenty of stellar alternative products from numerous other brands.
  - badsectoracula 6y ago
    The main issue with iOS isn't really so much iOS itself but the secondary effects it has over the entire industry - after all it has been very clear that Microsoft is salivating over the prospect of being Apple v2.0 and having as much control over the PC ecosystem as Apple has over the iOS ecosystem.
    - hellisothers 6y ago
      Are you telling me there is no “Linux of mobile devices” out there? I’m struggling to recall but I feel like there have been many much more open devices _and_ OSs our there but it turns out consumers don’t care enough about those aspects to want that.
      - badsectoracula 6y ago
        Well, Android is technically "Linux of mobile devices", though i guess you didn't mean that :-P. But yes, the options are too few and things can go like apples - one bad Apple can spoil the bunch.
  - Waterfall 6y ago
    What is in the level on apple silicon?
  - ksk 6y ago
    I don't want Apple exploiting their vendor lock-in and robbing other companies of 30% sales of a digital only product, even if it doesn't personally impact me. That is not strange or hard to understand IMHO. >Nobody is forcing you to buy an Apple product, and there are plenty of stellar alternative products from numerous other brands. We want to fix things (even in companies that we otherwise might like) that we think are morally unacceptable. That's how progress is made. You can advocate your own position too, nothing wrong with both of us doing so.

dkonofalski 6y ago

The capabilities that I paid for are what I got. I did not pay for a device that lets me install whatever app or widget I want. I paid for an iPhone knowing exactly what it was and wasn't capable of and I paid for that specifically because I know that Apple doesn't need to dedicate resources to anything other than my device. Taking that away changes the entire ecosystem and all the benefits presented by it. Look at Macs vs. PCs. There are entire industries dedicated to fixing the problems presented by the amount of options available on a PC. I don't want that. I want a device that I know works to do the things I need it to do. If the day comes where I need to do something I can't, I'll need to find another device.

Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
So, will you be happy if the government asks Apple to remove every messenger that allows encryption? That's what users in China get. Also, it's nice that you mention Macs. On Macs, you can install any app bypassing the AppStore. As it should be on a proper computer, and iPhone IS a computer.
- spideymans 6y ago
  Have you seen what the average Mac user’s computer often looks like? It’s often a mess of five years old Adobe flash update messages, and adware like MacKeeper. I know because I’ve had to spend hours cleaning this trash up from machines belonging to friends and family. Meanwhile this has never been an issue on the iPhone. The lack of UX-degrading software on the iPad is also the primary reason why I’ve been pushing my friends and family away from the Mac and onto the iPad. With the limited software ecosystem of the iPad, there’s far less things for them to screw up on the Mac.
  - Andrew_nenakhov 6y ago
    Well, some people just love their chains. It is ok, I guess, their right to agree to bondage. But why do they insist that everyone else should be as enslaved as they are themselves? And yes,I've seen Macs of average users. Never saw anything really wrong there. You are exaggerating the issue.