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Can I just buy the hardware at a cheaper price without the OS, if not then its not free, its part of the total cost.

by sumedh 6y ago

mythz 6y ago
That's nonsensical, if you could buy the hardware cheaper or iOS separate then you would be paying for iOS, you can't, Apple doesn't sell iOS, it gives it away. The cost for new iOS versions is irrelevant to the cost of hardware it's running on, it's free for all their devices for as long as they meet the hardware requirements for running new versions. You could buy an iPhone and put a jail break OS on it, you're still paying the full amount for the device.
- Hamuko 6y ago
  >You could buy an iPhone and put a jail break OS on it, you're still paying the full amount for the device. If I buy a new TV and throw the remote in the trash, the remote was not part of the cost of the TV? Also, "jail break OS"? Isn't that just iOS?
  - mythz 6y ago
    > If I buy a new TV and throw the remote in the trash, the remote was not part of the cost of the TV? A hardware remote is, which has an actual per unit cost (a software remote wouldn't be). The cost of Software distribution is effectively $0, a valid comparison would be if you bought your new TV with Android (which costs $0 for the manufacturer to include) you could replace the TV OS with Tizen OS which is also free, neither OS costs anything to the manufacturer or consumer and you don't get it cheaper for purchasing the same TV without an OS. > Also, "jail break OS"? Isn't that just iOS? There used to be a healthy alt OS ecosystem for iPhone before newer iPhone's have become increasingly lockdown where it doesn't appear you can do that anymore, the best you can do is JailBreak iOS and install a custom package manager and install custom software not permitted on the App Store.
- sumedh 6y ago
  > it's free for all their devices Have you never heard the phrase "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"? The reason Apple does not sell the hardware at a cheaper cost should tell you that the OS is not free. The cost is included. Its a package deal. > it's free for all their devices for as long as they meet the hardware requirements for running new versions. If the OS is free then why not let it run on very old models, it will run very slow but that should not matter since the OS is free, right?
  - mythz 6y ago
    > Have you never heard the phrase "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"? Yes, it's a meaningless cliche which is often untrue (I've had many free lunches myself). But "free/gratis" does have a definition to mean "without cost or payment", e.g. how much it costs to acquire/download every version of iOS going back a decade. Have you ever heard of alternative business models? Try Googling Android, Tizen OS, Web OS, Firefox OS for alternative mobile OS's, it's nearly impossible to for a mobile OS to become mainstream if you had to pay for it. > If the OS is free then why not let it run on very old models, it will run very slow but that should not matter since the OS is free, right? Because Apple has to support the devices it says it supports & they don't run acceptably. This isn't new, a lot of commercial software wont support software that doesn't meet a minimum hardware requirement.
    - sumedh 6y ago
      > I've had many free lunches myself So the other part did not want anything from you, what was the purpose of the free lunch then? Not sure why you are looking at download costs, how about the employee costs who develop IOS. If you googled those business models you will understand that there is no free lunch, similarly there isnt one with IOS, you pay for it when you buy the device. > Because Apple has to support the devices it says it supports & they don't run acceptably. No that is not true, Apple has no problems when IOS does not run "acceptably", infact they make it a feature so that IOS runs slow on older phones so that people will buy new phones to pay for IOS. That is the kind of shady behaviour Apple has to do when IOS is not free.

Can I just buy the hardware at a cheaper price without the OS, if not then its not free, its part of the total cost.

by sumedh 6y ago

Can I just buy the hardware at a cheaper price without the OS, if not then its not free, its part of the total cost.

That's nonsensical, if you could buy the hardware cheaper or iOS separate then you would be paying for iOS, you can't, Apple doesn't sell iOS, it gives it away. The cost for new iOS versions is irrelevant to the cost of hardware it's running on, it's free for all their devices for as long as they meet the hardware requirements for running new versions. You could buy an iPhone and put a jail break OS on it, you're still paying the full amount for the device.

Hamuko 6y ago
>You could buy an iPhone and put a jail break OS on it, you're still paying the full amount for the device. If I buy a new TV and throw the remote in the trash, the remote was not part of the cost of the TV? Also, "jail break OS"? Isn't that just iOS?
- mythz 6y ago
  > If I buy a new TV and throw the remote in the trash, the remote was not part of the cost of the TV? A hardware remote is, which has an actual per unit cost (a software remote wouldn't be). The cost of Software distribution is effectively $0, a valid comparison would be if you bought your new TV with Android (which costs $0 for the manufacturer to include) you could replace the TV OS with Tizen OS which is also free, neither OS costs anything to the manufacturer or consumer and you don't get it cheaper for purchasing the same TV without an OS. > Also, "jail break OS"? Isn't that just iOS? There used to be a healthy alt OS ecosystem for iPhone before newer iPhone's have become increasingly lockdown where it doesn't appear you can do that anymore, the best you can do is JailBreak iOS and install a custom package manager and install custom software not permitted on the App Store.
sumedh 6y ago
> it's free for all their devices Have you never heard the phrase "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"? The reason Apple does not sell the hardware at a cheaper cost should tell you that the OS is not free. The cost is included. Its a package deal. > it's free for all their devices for as long as they meet the hardware requirements for running new versions. If the OS is free then why not let it run on very old models, it will run very slow but that should not matter since the OS is free, right?
- mythz 6y ago
  > Have you never heard the phrase "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch"? Yes, it's a meaningless cliche which is often untrue (I've had many free lunches myself). But "free/gratis" does have a definition to mean "without cost or payment", e.g. how much it costs to acquire/download every version of iOS going back a decade. Have you ever heard of alternative business models? Try Googling Android, Tizen OS, Web OS, Firefox OS for alternative mobile OS's, it's nearly impossible to for a mobile OS to become mainstream if you had to pay for it. > If the OS is free then why not let it run on very old models, it will run very slow but that should not matter since the OS is free, right? Because Apple has to support the devices it says it supports & they don't run acceptably. This isn't new, a lot of commercial software wont support software that doesn't meet a minimum hardware requirement.
  - sumedh 6y ago
    > I've had many free lunches myself So the other part did not want anything from you, what was the purpose of the free lunch then? Not sure why you are looking at download costs, how about the employee costs who develop IOS. If you googled those business models you will understand that there is no free lunch, similarly there isnt one with IOS, you pay for it when you buy the device. > Because Apple has to support the devices it says it supports & they don't run acceptably. No that is not true, Apple has no problems when IOS does not run "acceptably", infact they make it a feature so that IOS runs slow on older phones so that people will buy new phones to pay for IOS. That is the kind of shady behaviour Apple has to do when IOS is not free.