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But isn't that like 'forcing' the readers to the full length of the article? It's fine if the content is very compelling. I think it has to have something to do

But isn't that like 'forcing' the readers to the full length of the article? It's fine if the content is very compelling. I think it has to have something to do with reading online. It's really challenging to get readers glued to the page while traditionally physical books and magz have an easier environment (less distractions).

082349872349872 6y ago
Once upon a time there was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid_(journalism) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid_(journalism)
- andy_ppp 6y ago
  This is no longer true is it - everyone wants engagement so they salaciously trail some upcoming new fascinating wonderful surprise until the headline is an outright lie, the body of the article is meaningless and the surprise is a disappointment. But at least someone made some money.
bravura 6y ago
If you don’t have the patience to digest the article, what give you the authority to write on the topic?
- pvaldes 6y ago
  > If you don’t have the patience to digest the article, what give you the authority to write on the topic? ... your common sense, your sense of logic, your spidey sense to detect BS trained since long time ago, your previous experience, or the fact that you are yet a expert in the topic. Or just your curiosity and desire to participate in the conversation, that is the correct motivation. To take a chance to improve your knowledge about a topic shouldn't be regulated by a pass. Everybody wants their paper turning into a breaking new / symbol of authority or just cheat in the citations game, but this is not how it happens most of the time. Most of the time it is just published and nothing happens. Nobody will rush to read your hard work. Is just how it is
  - zarathustreal 6y ago
    >your common sense, your sense of logic, your spidy[sic] sense Consider how accurate the senses of a person that speaks without observing are. Existing is not license to proliferate otherwise there would be no notion of a cancerous cell, these would simply be another part of the organism. Uninformed opinions are the cancer of public discourse. Uncontrolled growth of irresponsible and subjective thought.
    - freedomben 6y ago
      I'm guessing from your username that (like me) you're a fan of Nietzsche. Alas those of us who (like Nietzsche) believe opinions should be informed are a dying breed these days.
  - dumb1224 6y ago
    My boss is very good at skimming through scientific papers. She's so well trained she will get the gust of a paper in a couple of seconds(maybe exaggerated). I guess there is the expertise in the field at play as well...
    - wrycoder 6y ago
      Read the abstract, intro, and conclusion. Scan the references.
      - dumb1224 6y ago
        And usually there is the graphical representation of the paper, may it be an important figure or plots that can summarise the findings.
dspillett 6y ago
> But isn't that like 'forcing' the readers to the full length of the article? Yes. Personally I don't see a problem with that if you are trying to achieve a certain level of good response. Maybe an alternative would be to let the presence of the "magic" word/phrase alter the ordering of the comments displayed to other users, or even "shadow delay" responses without it for fifteen minutes.

082349872349872 6y ago

Once upon a time there was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid_(journalism) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_pyramid_(journalism)

andy_ppp 6y ago
This is no longer true is it - everyone wants engagement so they salaciously trail some upcoming new fascinating wonderful surprise until the headline is an outright lie, the body of the article is meaningless and the surprise is a disappointment. But at least someone made some money.

bravura 6y ago

If you don’t have the patience to digest the article, what give you the authority to write on the topic?

pvaldes 6y ago
> If you don’t have the patience to digest the article, what give you the authority to write on the topic? ... your common sense, your sense of logic, your spidey sense to detect BS trained since long time ago, your previous experience, or the fact that you are yet a expert in the topic. Or just your curiosity and desire to participate in the conversation, that is the correct motivation. To take a chance to improve your knowledge about a topic shouldn't be regulated by a pass. Everybody wants their paper turning into a breaking new / symbol of authority or just cheat in the citations game, but this is not how it happens most of the time. Most of the time it is just published and nothing happens. Nobody will rush to read your hard work. Is just how it is
- zarathustreal 6y ago
  >your common sense, your sense of logic, your spidy[sic] sense Consider how accurate the senses of a person that speaks without observing are. Existing is not license to proliferate otherwise there would be no notion of a cancerous cell, these would simply be another part of the organism. Uninformed opinions are the cancer of public discourse. Uncontrolled growth of irresponsible and subjective thought.
  - freedomben 6y ago
    I'm guessing from your username that (like me) you're a fan of Nietzsche. Alas those of us who (like Nietzsche) believe opinions should be informed are a dying breed these days.
- dumb1224 6y ago
  My boss is very good at skimming through scientific papers. She's so well trained she will get the gust of a paper in a couple of seconds(maybe exaggerated). I guess there is the expertise in the field at play as well...
  - wrycoder 6y ago
    Read the abstract, intro, and conclusion. Scan the references.
    - dumb1224 6y ago
      And usually there is the graphical representation of the paper, may it be an important figure or plots that can summarise the findings.

dspillett 6y ago

> But isn't that like 'forcing' the readers to the full length of the article? Yes. Personally I don't see a problem with that if you are trying to achieve a certain level of good response. Maybe an alternative would be to let the presence of the "magic" word/phrase alter the ordering of the comments displayed to other users, or even "shadow delay" responses without it for fifteen minutes.