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> Currently, all our developer tools and technical infrastructure comes from Big Tech and the Big Web. They are optimised for creating Big Tech and the Big Web.

> Currently, all our developer tools and technical infrastructure comes from Big Tech and the Big Web. They are optimised for creating Big Tech and the Big Web. What the fuck are you talking about? Nobody forces you to host your personal website on a k8s cluster. > While we can repurpose some of them for our own uses, we also need tools specifically optimised for building single-tenant web applications and the Small Web. How about Apache for local testing and a ftp server to a webspace at [INSERT WEBHOSTING COMPANY HERE]. Existed for decades, well tested and easy to use.

kgraves 6y ago
> What the fuck are you talking about? Nobody forces you to host your personal website on a k8s cluster. But he is right, almost all the dev tools we used are by surveillance capitalists only further entrenching our reliance on them, think React, Pytorch, React Native, or even K8S etc. These tools only benefit the the big tech companies and we are going down a path of no return. > How about Apache for local testing and a ftp server to a webspace at [INSERT WEBHOSTING COMPANY HERE]. Existed for decades, well tested and easy to use. This is way too technical for most people, Aral is building something everyone can use in a few steps and has privacy built in.
- dna_polymerase 6y ago
  > But he is right, almost all the dev tools we used are by surveillance capitalists only further entrenching our reliance on them, think React, Pytorch, React Native, or even K8S etc. What? The source of all these things is open. I do not rely on any of these companies when using these tools now. Of course if I use them in conjunction with their cloud services I am dependent on say Amazon or Google. But the open nature of their software provides me with everything I need to use it without the dependence on said companies. Your critique is mostly blind, unbalanced tribalism. > These tools only benefit the the big tech companies and we are going down a path of no return. No they are free to everyone. You could use them for whatever you like. > This is way too technical for most people, Aral is building something everyone can use in a few steps and has privacy built in. Frankly, if you are unable to use FTP and XAMPP I don't see you using npm and the CLI.
  - kgraves 6y ago
    I've seen so many tools made by these companies which were advertised as 'free' turn towards a cloud based model, deprecated, restricted by a patent clause or the ecosystem and development is beholden to a single corporation. The cloud services is just the start.

kgraves 6y ago

> What the fuck are you talking about? Nobody forces you to host your personal website on a k8s cluster. But he is right, almost all the dev tools we used are by surveillance capitalists only further entrenching our reliance on them, think React, Pytorch, React Native, or even K8S etc. These tools only benefit the the big tech companies and we are going down a path of no return. > How about Apache for local testing and a ftp server to a webspace at [INSERT WEBHOSTING COMPANY HERE]. Existed for decades, well tested and easy to use. This is way too technical for most people, Aral is building something everyone can use in a few steps and has privacy built in.

dna_polymerase 6y ago
> But he is right, almost all the dev tools we used are by surveillance capitalists only further entrenching our reliance on them, think React, Pytorch, React Native, or even K8S etc. What? The source of all these things is open. I do not rely on any of these companies when using these tools now. Of course if I use them in conjunction with their cloud services I am dependent on say Amazon or Google. But the open nature of their software provides me with everything I need to use it without the dependence on said companies. Your critique is mostly blind, unbalanced tribalism. > These tools only benefit the the big tech companies and we are going down a path of no return. No they are free to everyone. You could use them for whatever you like. > This is way too technical for most people, Aral is building something everyone can use in a few steps and has privacy built in. Frankly, if you are unable to use FTP and XAMPP I don't see you using npm and the CLI.
- kgraves 6y ago
  I've seen so many tools made by these companies which were advertised as 'free' turn towards a cloud based model, deprecated, restricted by a patent clause or the ecosystem and development is beholden to a single corporation. The cloud services is just the start.