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Funny you mention this. We’re a family with young kids building a new home in Idaho. We’re escaping CA and worried our neighbors will be just other CA transplan

Funny you mention this. We’re a family with young kids building a new home in Idaho. We’re escaping CA and worried our neighbors will be just other CA transplants. We’re trying to find a place where people are different than what we experienced in California — small/no families, workaholics, tech obsessed, “progressive”...

namdnay 6y ago
Move to Alabama, you won’t be disappointed...
throwawaysea 6y ago
Unfortunately California is exporting its people in droves to the most desirable smaller cities in other states right now, overwhelming their local cultures and politics. It really is very destructive and sad to witness. In my experience, CA transplants don’t respect the existing cultures and politics of other places, but rather look down upon them and aggressively try to reprogram them into the same thing they left behind. This is exactly what happened to Seattle between 2005-2020, basically SF-ifying a sleepy town in the northwest. We will simply be seeing the same thing play out in a much faster and in a more widespread manner in the 2020s.
- renewiltord 6y ago
  Transplants. What a parochial term! It is so interesting that the sentiment is so common in America: natives > transplants. Having lived in places where there are lots of foreigners, I find this aspect of America intriguing.
  - throwawaysea 6y ago
    I disagree that it is narrow minded, if that’s what you mean. Many people want a space for their culture and way of life to thrive. When that is threatened or eliminated, it can be devastating. It’s a loss of identity and belonging and a space to call their own. Does every place really need to be another vanilla progressive west coast clone? To me what is surprising is that people are willing to accept that cultural erasure is a problem in contexts like colonization or gentrification of poor neighborhoods in urban areas, but can’t accept that the same applies to other people and places. It feels a bit like that empathy only exists for favored causes and groups.
    - renewiltord 6y ago
      Is any place a progressive West Coast clone except for the progressive West Coast? Seems like an unfounded fear.
      - at_a_remove 6y ago
        \slams his hand on the buzzer\ What is Austin, Texas?
    - ryandrake 6y ago
      Sounds like a bit of an exaggeration. Nobody's trying to erase anyone's culture. If a few Californians move to your rural town to get away from the Bay Area, how does that affect you? Besides them spending their money locally in your town and local businesses, that is. I'm currently in the Bay Area but will one day be a rural non-Californian. I don't want to erase your culture--I just want to afford a decent sized parcel of land without wildfires. What are some tips that would stop me from inadvertently erasing someone's culture?
  - fiblye 6y ago
    > It is so interesting that the sentiment is so common in America: natives > transplants. It's common globally. Cultures and peoples have always prioritized their own. A typical 15th century small town French person associated with his village more than his country, and he associated more with his country than with England. Tribalism and cultural identity are nothing new.
    - renewiltord 6y ago
      I've lived in a few big cities across the world and I've only ever been welcomed as a foreigner. NYC is the only American city that's like that, really. I think maybe it's because the Bay Area doesn't actually have any big cities, it doesn't quite have that effect. Then again, if I think about it, the times I spent in each of these places was when the Internet culture wars weren't so prevalent, so maybe it's just that right now everyone is in a big war on the Internet. People in real life are quite nice in the Bay and I know lots of natives - none of whom make a big deal out of it. But online...ugh.
      - fiblye 6y ago
        > People in real life are quite nice in the Bay and I know lots of natives - none of whom make a big deal out of it. But online...ugh. People rarely say unpleasant things directly to someone in real life, even if they're thinking it. Plenty of people don't like their bosses, but they know better than to directly say it.
        renewiltord 6y ago
        True, true, but they don't usually insist on being friends if they'd rather not.
- 082349872349872 6y ago
  A joke from the late twentieth century: A californian, a texan, and an oregonian are sitting around a campfire drinking. Suddenly, the texan throws his half-drunk Jack Daniels bottle in the air, unslings his Colt, and shatters it with two shots. "What'd you do that for?" ask the two others. "Felt like it. Where I come from, we've got plenty of whiskey." A little while later the californian throws his half-drunk Chardonnay bottle in the air, whips out his Glock, and shoots it as well. "What'd you do that for?" ask the two others. "Dude. Where I come from, we've got plenty of vineyards." Finally the oregonian throws his half-drunk Hank's bottle in the air, picks up his shotgun, and fires both barrels into the californian, before catching the bottle again. "What'd you do that for?" asks the texan, blanching. "Where I come from, we've got plenty of californians." "But this bottle is worth 5 cents." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXk1882z5oo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXk1882z5oo Compare "Overpaid, oversexed, and over here." With regard to "look down upon them and aggressively try to reprogram them into the same thing they left behind", consider the eponymous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Seattle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Seattle et.al. As far as I can tell, looking at the last 6'000 years, cities with economic exports have tended to generate cultural exports in their hinterlands.
- notacoward 6y ago
  The trope I've been seeing for most of my adult life is someone moving from Boston or NYC to a picturesque town in New Hampshire or Vermont, building an out-of-scale out-of-character McMansion, then: "Now, nobody else move here or change a thing!" There is no disdain like that of the older transplants for the newer. IMX the real life-long residents of a place tend to be more laissez-faire about it.

namdnay 6y ago

Move to Alabama, you won’t be disappointed...

throwawaysea 6y ago

Unfortunately California is exporting its people in droves to the most desirable smaller cities in other states right now, overwhelming their local cultures and politics. It really is very destructive and sad to witness. In my experience, CA transplants don’t respect the existing cultures and politics of other places, but rather look down upon them and aggressively try to reprogram them into the same thing they left behind. This is exactly what happened to Seattle between 2005-2020, basically SF-ifying a sleepy town in the northwest. We will simply be seeing the same thing play out in a much faster and in a more widespread manner in the 2020s.

renewiltord 6y ago
Transplants. What a parochial term! It is so interesting that the sentiment is so common in America: natives > transplants. Having lived in places where there are lots of foreigners, I find this aspect of America intriguing.
- throwawaysea 6y ago
  I disagree that it is narrow minded, if that’s what you mean. Many people want a space for their culture and way of life to thrive. When that is threatened or eliminated, it can be devastating. It’s a loss of identity and belonging and a space to call their own. Does every place really need to be another vanilla progressive west coast clone? To me what is surprising is that people are willing to accept that cultural erasure is a problem in contexts like colonization or gentrification of poor neighborhoods in urban areas, but can’t accept that the same applies to other people and places. It feels a bit like that empathy only exists for favored causes and groups.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    Is any place a progressive West Coast clone except for the progressive West Coast? Seems like an unfounded fear.
    - at_a_remove 6y ago
      \slams his hand on the buzzer\ What is Austin, Texas?
  - ryandrake 6y ago
    Sounds like a bit of an exaggeration. Nobody's trying to erase anyone's culture. If a few Californians move to your rural town to get away from the Bay Area, how does that affect you? Besides them spending their money locally in your town and local businesses, that is. I'm currently in the Bay Area but will one day be a rural non-Californian. I don't want to erase your culture--I just want to afford a decent sized parcel of land without wildfires. What are some tips that would stop me from inadvertently erasing someone's culture?
- fiblye 6y ago
  > It is so interesting that the sentiment is so common in America: natives > transplants. It's common globally. Cultures and peoples have always prioritized their own. A typical 15th century small town French person associated with his village more than his country, and he associated more with his country than with England. Tribalism and cultural identity are nothing new.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    I've lived in a few big cities across the world and I've only ever been welcomed as a foreigner. NYC is the only American city that's like that, really. I think maybe it's because the Bay Area doesn't actually have any big cities, it doesn't quite have that effect. Then again, if I think about it, the times I spent in each of these places was when the Internet culture wars weren't so prevalent, so maybe it's just that right now everyone is in a big war on the Internet. People in real life are quite nice in the Bay and I know lots of natives - none of whom make a big deal out of it. But online...ugh.
    - fiblye 6y ago
      > People in real life are quite nice in the Bay and I know lots of natives - none of whom make a big deal out of it. But online...ugh. People rarely say unpleasant things directly to someone in real life, even if they're thinking it. Plenty of people don't like their bosses, but they know better than to directly say it.
      - renewiltord 6y ago
        True, true, but they don't usually insist on being friends if they'd rather not.
082349872349872 6y ago
A joke from the late twentieth century: A californian, a texan, and an oregonian are sitting around a campfire drinking. Suddenly, the texan throws his half-drunk Jack Daniels bottle in the air, unslings his Colt, and shatters it with two shots. "What'd you do that for?" ask the two others. "Felt like it. Where I come from, we've got plenty of whiskey." A little while later the californian throws his half-drunk Chardonnay bottle in the air, whips out his Glock, and shoots it as well. "What'd you do that for?" ask the two others. "Dude. Where I come from, we've got plenty of vineyards." Finally the oregonian throws his half-drunk Hank's bottle in the air, picks up his shotgun, and fires both barrels into the californian, before catching the bottle again. "What'd you do that for?" asks the texan, blanching. "Where I come from, we've got plenty of californians." "But this bottle is worth 5 cents." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXk1882z5oo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXk1882z5oo Compare "Overpaid, oversexed, and over here." With regard to "look down upon them and aggressively try to reprogram them into the same thing they left behind", consider the eponymous https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Seattle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Seattle et.al. As far as I can tell, looking at the last 6'000 years, cities with economic exports have tended to generate cultural exports in their hinterlands.
notacoward 6y ago
The trope I've been seeing for most of my adult life is someone moving from Boston or NYC to a picturesque town in New Hampshire or Vermont, building an out-of-scale out-of-character McMansion, then: "Now, nobody else move here or change a thing!" There is no disdain like that of the older transplants for the newer. IMX the real life-long residents of a place tend to be more laissez-faire about it.