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Clover: An all-in-one notebook
- RobKohr 6y agoMy all in one notebook: * Dropbox folder called Notebook * Has a file called Notebook.md which has links to other files: Tasks.md (to do lists with date headers), Blog.md, etc * VSC with some markdown extensions * Markdown All In One * Markdown Preview Enhanced * mushan.vscode-paste-image Doesn't do great as far as mobile note taking, but aside from that, its ability to organize is limitless.
- kanobo 6y agoCongrats to the team, looks very useful. I was an early customer of the Macaw App from the same creator(s?) and was excited for its development and had deeply integrated it into my projects but they got aquihired then all development stopped and bugs frozen in place... honestly didn't feel good and left me wary of new apps like these. Anyways, hopefully this one has a long bright future.
- errantspark 6y agoI have similar thoughts. I don't see how I could trust my notes to someone else, besides the obvious privacy implications I just don't feel like it makes sense to rely on someone else for something important like this. I want the data on my computer, and I want to be able to use the version of the software I like and not be forced to update to increasingly awful garbage as they try desperately to grow enough for an IPO or whatever the fuck. Yes, I am still very bitter about Evernote, why do you ask?
- Waterluvian 6y agoFor what it’s worth (and maybe I’m just dumb). It took me a lot of scrolling to realize they weren’t selling hardware.
- vnair 6y agoHonestly had the exact same thought
- mchusma 6y agoMe too. I thought it had a new minimalist OS too.
- tyingq 6y agoMe too. I think maybe they forgot that "notebook" also has a hardware connotation.
- mcs_ 6y agoYup, Took me till the color picker.
- afandian 6y agoOn Android Firefox you can't even scroll! It takes a few swipes to get the page to move.
- jonathanstrange 6y agoThat's funny because my first thought was almost the opposite, that they are offering a new open source HTML template for ebooks.
- upen946 6y agoSame here. Looking at the UI, I thought there were selling some devices
- moritzmeister 6y agoAnd as a Data Scientist, my first thought was it is a replacement for Jupyter Notebooks :)
- thomasxiii 6y agoNot dumb at all. Apologies for that! We'll work on honing our messaging to avoid this confusion.
- Bedon292 6y agoI also got confused because Clover is a payment processing company, similar to Square. And also apparently a dating app.
- sfuller808 6y agoLooks well thought out. Look forward to trying it out.
- limomium 6y ago"Well thought out"? There are TWO features listed, some kind of non-straight line writing thing, and the ability to change color. No mention of literally anything else - like, if your notes are stored in accessible format offline or if they are lost when the business goes belly up. Never, ever take notes into a proprietary cloud silo!
- r-w 6y agoI also look forward to trying it out :) I'm not committing to taking all my important notes into it, but I'm interested in the product. Maybe I'm naïve, but I think there's progress to be made on the front of proactive note-taking apps, and I'm excited to see what this app has to offer.
- jermeh 6y agoI'm not sure how you concluded that there are only two features listed. Going back through the page I see: * calendar-based navigation (Agenda) * gantt/timeline display * image collages * non-linear organization * command line * dedicated tasks tab * global search * customizable colors, fonts, icons I'm not saying that Clover is incredible or that your "proprietary cloud silo" paradigm is incorrect, but saying the app mentions literally nothing else is a bit of a stretch.
- limomium 6y agoI went looking for these things you claim are there, and you're right! They are hidden in the screenshots without nary a mention! This is what the website SAYS: "What if we had a tool that could work in straight lines or… well… not straight lines? [...] We built a new style of text editor from the ground up to better support creative thinking. Clover lets you explode traditional documents and work in a more free-form manner for better brainstorming, mind-mapping, and exploration." Notice the difference between what YOU said, and what the WEBSITE says? You produced a useful list of features; the website blabbers in incomprehensible marketing-speak.
- RyanDeLap 6y agoLooks pretty cool. Any other information on how this may be different to Notion?
- dersoi 6y agoMy first thought too. I feel this is meant to be more chaotic in someway: being able to put all the information raw and rearrange them easily, whereas Notion feels more like documentation, where your data has to fit a template.
- emaro 6y agoLooks pretty clean. I wonder about a) pricing / distribution model and b) compatibility with other tools i.e. if you use open formats. Note: Displaying email addresses in uppercase is bad UX, since emails are mostly, but not always case insensitive.
- system2 6y agoOne time only: Yes. Recurring monthly: NEVER. There are bazillion apps out there, mostly free or comes with free tier. Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. Just my opinion.
- jwr 6y ago> Recurring monthly: NEVER. [...] Unless this is $9.99 or lower, I would never consider. And yet, you likely expect regular updates when the OS is updated, a constant stream of bug fixes, and (probably) some improvements. In other words, you expect regular development for a one-time fee of $9.99 or lower. $9.99 is the cost of about 5 minutes of a skilled programmer's time. This is not realistic and definitely not sustainable.
- prerok 6y agoAnd yet, we expect games to be at this price or lower with the same hard constraints and I would argue they take even more work. That's just the economy of scale. I also think that anything beyond $10 is too pricey. Monthly plan? No way.
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- jwr 6y agoIn other words, we expect "others" to pay for us through economies of scale. This might work for top-tier video games, but it definitely does not work for niche software.
- whatthefunc 6y agoAnother notes app...?
- ZephyrBlu 6y agoYeah but this one is an all-in-one notebook for creatives!
- code_scrapping 6y agoBecause Evernote is too formal? Let me slap-on some ComicSans on my notes...
- m0ngr31 6y agoLooks like a much more refined and finished product than my own notebook app: https://github.com/m0ngr31/DailyNotes https://github.com/m0ngr31/DailyNotes I wonder how it compares to Noteplan (my original inspiration).
- ZephyrBlu 6y agoI don't think it is a finished product, hence only a landing page and the fact it's "early access".
- nxc18 6y agoVery interesting. This feels like a fusion of my favorite tools: OneNote and Todoist. The command line is a great feature - Todoist executes on it well, also the Outlook app but on macOS only for some reason. This appears to solve a major gripe with OneNote: it is really hard to style and get things looking like I want them to. It also lacks formatted code display - the whole Office suite is surprisingly very behind here. It’s a shame, since I know at least in the past MS used word for their internal technical documentation, so they should be feeling this pain daily. The competition is fierce, but the offering appears strong enough to overcome my “it’s just another note taking app, haven’t they heard of OneNote” instinct. As a user I’m hoping that OneNote and Doist will pull an Instagram and copy some or all of these features. I love using software that inspires me with its design.
- freeone3000 6y agoIf you write the code in Visual Studio and paste it into Word, it preserves Visual Studio formatting. This is what's used instead of putting code formatting into Office.
- tobr 6y agoIt looks very pretty, but leaves me wondering what is the problem I’d have where Clover is better than other note-taking apps? This is a common problem with product landing pages like these. They show off some cool features but don’t do a good job connecting them together as a clear vision that demonstrates insight about the intended users’ situation.
- gherkinnn 6y agoI use markdown in Writer and physical notebooks myself. Both lack the ability to easily add pictures. Bad iPad integration will be a killer for me though. Worth a look, I suppose.
- sebiol 6y agoMy best Markdown experience so far on iPad is with Working Copy. It is primarily a Git client. The preview mode handles pictures well, but for editing you are stuck with a basic code editor. Using the preview mode I can even navigate to other notes in the same repository via links in the notes. Might not work for your use case. If it sounds interesting, give it a try.
- steveharman 6y agoNeeds to have browser plugins for desktop and "share to" option from mobile, for noting web content / URLs. Hopefully it will.
- krono 6y agoAll I want is basically Notion with an API, and the ability to self-host our data to mitigate security and privacy concerns.
- ffpip 6y agohttps://github.com/kjk/notionapi https://github.com/kjk/notionapi
- chank 6y agoAll I want is Notion with data privacy like Bear.
- Otek 6y agoExactly, something like Notion that keeps my data encrypted on my iCloud like Bear with native iOS and Mac app similar to Things3. I could easily pay 100 bucks for this kind of setup.
- pixelN 6y agohttps://github.com/outline/outline https://github.com/outline/outline outline is pretty close, big drawback is that the only auth method is over slack
- triyambakam 6y agoI used to be obsessed with trying new note taking apps, but I've been the happiest and most productive using Vim and Markdown on my laptop synced via Syncthing to my phone and editing with Markor. I've used Vim for as long as I could program, so I am embarrassed that it took me so long to set this up (a few months ago) but I finally don't care about note taking apps. Edit: sometimes I print my notes and for that I use the Vim plugin MarkdownPreview to render to the browser, then print there
- fatline 6y agowhat do you use for syntax highlighting? I have tried a few options but can't quite get what I need. I like url hiding (or is it called folding?) that VimWiki does for md files, but I hate that VimWiki's does not really follow the md standard
- criddell 6y agoMy problem with a text file is how clunky it is to include images.
- mark_l_watson 6y agoMe to, then I just stopped. The enabling moment came when I found a free app that backs up Apple Notes in a portable format. I use the iCloud.com web app on my Linux laptops to access notes, and on my copious Apple devices, the Notes app is easy to use. Some sad history: I spent years carefully making notes and organizing material in Evernote but realized that I spent much more time curating material than ever using it.
- hboon 6y agoCan you share that app that backs up Apple Notes?
- mark_l_watson 6y agoThe app is called Exporter. Try searching the macOS store for “Exporter Notes”
- smetj 6y agoWhere, how and in in which format is my data stored? First question I have ...
- ganafagol 6y agoSame here. If that key question is not answered but instead they try to convince me by showing off customizable colors, I know I'm out.
- dvcrn 6y agoIs this going to be web-based (electron)? I'd love for a really good notes app, but everything these days is in electron and I can't deal with the powerhog. I'm now using Outlinely and Agenda mainly because of this
- esrh 6y ago> coming soon to web desktop and mobile I'd bet so.
- jeswin 6y agoIt took me a lot of scrolling to realize they don't even have a product yet - it's just a wait list.
- dhruvmittal 6y agoLooks like a notion clone but only for ios?
- metalliqaz 6y agoyeah that was my thought
- dangoor 6y agoAt the bottom of the page, it says that it's coming for the web
- hestefisk 6y agoThe command prompt aspect is quite interesting. But it is going to be tough competing with OneNote (free), which is a pretty decent app.
- tomcat27 6y agoanother notes app people love in the beginning but eventually abandon
- tobyhinloopen 6y agoAh crap I was hoping for some kind of phone-laptop hybrid
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- alphagrep12345 6y agoWhy is there an abundance of note taking apps? Why is it that this particular category of software/apps sees a new one every now and then?
- erklik 6y agoI think Notion was the first one of the recent bunch, and they created something much better than the standard "Write some text" and since they got traction, others saw that they could do better and have started focusing in that direction.
- ChefboyOG 6y agoTL;DR: I think this is down to the convergence of some perennial dynamics, and the recent success of apps like Notion, as another commenter alluded to. I've spent a lot of time thinking about this. As someone for whom research + writing are a primary component of daily work, I'm probably a little too willing to play with new note taking apps :) I think the recent surge is actually a convergence of several different trends: 1. There's always been a decent volume of new note taking apps, in large part because of how tempting they are as a project. They feel both approachable (until you try to build one), and they're such a familiar-yet-blank canvas that it's incredibly easy to come up with a "tweak" that makes yours different. 2. The love people have for Notion, and the so-far success of the company, have made it a more attractive niche for more serious startup-y people. Where you used to see more solo projects, you're now seeing a decent amount of apps built by full teams. 3. Human nature. While I am the first to evangelize the impact taking better notes can have, it has also been my experience that note taking systems are the ultimate bike shed problem. It's easy to tinker with them and try new apps out, believing that you'll find the perfect system that will unlock your inner genius. I think a lot of project management and productivity software has a similar thing going.
- jrimbault 6y agore 1. In my experience, it's often the first vague idea for a school project a teacher will give their students. Personnally, like many things, I've built a custom script atop git to manage my notes. And another to manage a journal. And another, and another. Just building off of git.
- r-w 6y agoFor more info on the company, see here: https://www.bizapedia.com/ny/clover-software-inc.html https://www.bizapedia.com/ny/clover-software-inc.html