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Still, you elected a school board that would permit that difference, and you chose where to live. If telling parents gets students under control at one school,

by burfog 6y ago

Still, you elected a school board that would permit that difference, and you chose where to live. If telling parents gets students under control at one school, and it doesn't work at the other school, punishment will be different. You could get to that policy by trial and error, without any knowledge of the racial makeup of the student body.

scarface74 6y ago
Right. A) Because someone who lived in my school district where rent was $600 a month - I had a house as part of the “gentrification” movement pre real estate bust - could pick up and move to a better school district like I did in the opposite side of the metro area over an hour away where the rent is now $2000/month. B) if minorities are treated differently in the same school district, why would the majority care? Are you now going to argue that if you are a minority and face statistically unequal treatment by the criminal justice system you should move out of the city? state? country?
- burfog 6y ago
  Things are different, yes, but I'm not seeing any racism on the part of the school administration or school board. You are in "a high income district". You were in "lower income minority school district". I don't know the racial situation in your current district, though I could probably guess right. It's realistic, though not very nice, to imply that "minority" is the opposite of "high income". For the discipline difference, it's enough that there is an income difference. That explains everything. There is no need to mention race. The high-income people, of any race, care about education and discipline. Getting a kid to behave is usually as simple as telling the parents. The low-income people, on average, don't give a damn. Telling a parent about bad behavior will just generate a tirade of insults. Calling the police works, so that is done. It's unfair to the low-income people who aren't terrible. Well, life isn't fair. The group you associate with will determine how you are treated.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    It's realistic, though not very nice, to imply that "minority" is the opposite of "high income". Hint: Not only are “some of my best friends Black”, my parents, my wife, my children, and all of my family is too. Please don’t go all “woke” on me. For the discipline difference, it's enough that there is an income difference. That explains everything. There is no need to mention race. Studies show that it happens in the same district... The high-income people, of any race, care about education and discipline. Getting a kid to behave is usually as simple as telling the parents. Right because poor people don’t care about education. The high-income people, of any race, care about education and discipline. Getting a kid to behave is usually as simple as telling the parents. Uhh, this isn’t new. I went to a private school growing up. By definition if they were paying to go to the school I went to, they weren’t poor. I saw myself how much different the “bad” White kids were treated than the Black kids. The group you associate with will determine how you are treated. Oh that’s all I have to tell my six foot 3 son to do! Make sure he has one of his White friends with him (he usually does) when he hangs out so police won’t wonder what he’s doing in our part of town. He was going to walk from school one night down the street to a Waffle House after a football game to meet his other classmates. His friend group is like the rainbow coalition, but this one night he wasn’t sure whether his non-Black friends were going to the game and walking down there with him. We told him if not, just take an Uber. Two Black kids walking down the street were an easy target for harassment. Not by other kids - kids aren’t as stupid as the older generation - they were worried about being harassed by the cops.
    - burfog 6y ago
      I'm nearly the opposite of “woke” but I try to be nice, and that wording reminded me of this awful Biden quote: “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids” As a general rule, yes, poor people don't care about education. That's typically a contributing factor to being poor. Exceptions are common. Poor areas and poor families have a sort of cultural rot. Some have given up. Some see other things, often less honest or less productive, as an easier path to getting by in life. Some fear loss of friends if they choose a different path in life. In those areas, a kid who does well in school will be attacked by peers. So at home, the parents are not reading to kids. The parents are not asking about homework. The parents are not taking away sources of entertainment that distract from success. The parents are not bothered by a non-A grade or in a panic over a below-B grade. Instead, the parents are creating chaos. The parents are getting arrested, coming to blows while drunk or high, and cranking up the TV volume. Very often, the families are broken. Sometimes the kids don't even know their father. All sorts of non-academic nonsense is glorified. The priorities are just all wrong. That is not an environment that promotes discipline, studying, or academic success. If teachers are really treating black kids of equivalent income and wealth different from white kids, that is interesting. It's particularly interesting because teachers are among the most “woke” of all, commonly marching for BLM while accusing the MAGA crowd of being racist. In the name of BLM people have torched black neighborhoods (both business and residential) and torn down statues of people who fought against slavery, and the arrested people have included numerous teachers. Life isn't fair, so some hints for your son: wear a nice suit, speak crisp standard English, and keep the grooming strictly traditional. Basically, adopt the mannerisms of a lawyer.

by burfog 6y ago

scarface74 6y ago

Right. A) Because someone who lived in my school district where rent was $600 a month - I had a house as part of the “gentrification” movement pre real estate bust - could pick up and move to a better school district like I did in the opposite side of the metro area over an hour away where the rent is now $2000/month. B) if minorities are treated differently in the same school district, why would the majority care? Are you now going to argue that if you are a minority and face statistically unequal treatment by the criminal justice system you should move out of the city? state? country?

burfog 6y ago
Things are different, yes, but I'm not seeing any racism on the part of the school administration or school board. You are in "a high income district". You were in "lower income minority school district". I don't know the racial situation in your current district, though I could probably guess right. It's realistic, though not very nice, to imply that "minority" is the opposite of "high income". For the discipline difference, it's enough that there is an income difference. That explains everything. There is no need to mention race. The high-income people, of any race, care about education and discipline. Getting a kid to behave is usually as simple as telling the parents. The low-income people, on average, don't give a damn. Telling a parent about bad behavior will just generate a tirade of insults. Calling the police works, so that is done. It's unfair to the low-income people who aren't terrible. Well, life isn't fair. The group you associate with will determine how you are treated.
- scarface74 6y ago
  It's realistic, though not very nice, to imply that "minority" is the opposite of "high income". Hint: Not only are “some of my best friends Black”, my parents, my wife, my children, and all of my family is too. Please don’t go all “woke” on me. For the discipline difference, it's enough that there is an income difference. That explains everything. There is no need to mention race. Studies show that it happens in the same district... The high-income people, of any race, care about education and discipline. Getting a kid to behave is usually as simple as telling the parents. Right because poor people don’t care about education. The high-income people, of any race, care about education and discipline. Getting a kid to behave is usually as simple as telling the parents. Uhh, this isn’t new. I went to a private school growing up. By definition if they were paying to go to the school I went to, they weren’t poor. I saw myself how much different the “bad” White kids were treated than the Black kids. The group you associate with will determine how you are treated. Oh that’s all I have to tell my six foot 3 son to do! Make sure he has one of his White friends with him (he usually does) when he hangs out so police won’t wonder what he’s doing in our part of town. He was going to walk from school one night down the street to a Waffle House after a football game to meet his other classmates. His friend group is like the rainbow coalition, but this one night he wasn’t sure whether his non-Black friends were going to the game and walking down there with him. We told him if not, just take an Uber. Two Black kids walking down the street were an easy target for harassment. Not by other kids - kids aren’t as stupid as the older generation - they were worried about being harassed by the cops.
  - burfog 6y ago
    I'm nearly the opposite of “woke” but I try to be nice, and that wording reminded me of this awful Biden quote: “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids” As a general rule, yes, poor people don't care about education. That's typically a contributing factor to being poor. Exceptions are common. Poor areas and poor families have a sort of cultural rot. Some have given up. Some see other things, often less honest or less productive, as an easier path to getting by in life. Some fear loss of friends if they choose a different path in life. In those areas, a kid who does well in school will be attacked by peers. So at home, the parents are not reading to kids. The parents are not asking about homework. The parents are not taking away sources of entertainment that distract from success. The parents are not bothered by a non-A grade or in a panic over a below-B grade. Instead, the parents are creating chaos. The parents are getting arrested, coming to blows while drunk or high, and cranking up the TV volume. Very often, the families are broken. Sometimes the kids don't even know their father. All sorts of non-academic nonsense is glorified. The priorities are just all wrong. That is not an environment that promotes discipline, studying, or academic success. If teachers are really treating black kids of equivalent income and wealth different from white kids, that is interesting. It's particularly interesting because teachers are among the most “woke” of all, commonly marching for BLM while accusing the MAGA crowd of being racist. In the name of BLM people have torched black neighborhoods (both business and residential) and torn down statues of people who fought against slavery, and the arrested people have included numerous teachers. Life isn't fair, so some hints for your son: wear a nice suit, speak crisp standard English, and keep the grooming strictly traditional. Basically, adopt the mannerisms of a lawyer.