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Phones aren't really a "luxury" anymore, they are a necessity to life. A gaming console is not. Apple also sells their products at a HUGE profit margin of 30%+

Phones aren't really a "luxury" anymore, they are a necessity to life. A gaming console is not. Apple also sells their products at a HUGE profit margin of 30%+ where Microsoft/Sony often sell their gaming hardware at a loss and make it up in software fees.

threeseed 6y ago
> Phones aren't really a "luxury" anymore, they are a necessity to life Tell that to the billions of people without one. And interestingly with us in Australia being under a mandatory COVID-19 stay at home order I have not used my phone in over a week. I can do everything it does on my laptop just fine e.g. messaging, banking etc. Food, shelter etc are necessities. Phone is just a nice to have.
- romanoderoma 6y ago
  Can you really iMessage with your non Apple pc? Or develop iOS apps with it? Or test them? For many people being able to do it makes the difference between a salary and not being able to pay the rent As much as "a nice have" it looks, and I agree it somewhat is, that's not the full story.
  - threeseed 6y ago
    Yes I can develop and test iOS apps on my Mac without a phone. And there are online services that provide real-world phones if you do need to test it. Or I can just use Testflight and have beta test users do it.
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      Yes, but I wrote > with your __non__ Apple pc?
    - romanoderoma 6y ago
      Ti be clear the point was: if my Android phone breaks or is stolen and I am on the other side of the World I can enter any store buy a 50$ replacement, put the SIM in, sync my contacts and call back home With Apple phones that's not possible If you develop Apple apps you need Apple HW, another hidden tax to be paid to be part of the ecosystem I think a company shouldn't be allowed to sell billions of devices that people rely on for daily activities, but that owners cannot control Even if life can go on without smartphones Life can also go on without refrigerators or washing machines, but if you buy one vendors don't lock customers in
AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
There are vendors of phones that are not Apple. Trying to play it off like Apple is some kind of monster denying people life necessities for the sake of profit is pretty damned stupid even by HN standards.

threeseed 6y ago

> Phones aren't really a "luxury" anymore, they are a necessity to life Tell that to the billions of people without one. And interestingly with us in Australia being under a mandatory COVID-19 stay at home order I have not used my phone in over a week. I can do everything it does on my laptop just fine e.g. messaging, banking etc. Food, shelter etc are necessities. Phone is just a nice to have.

romanoderoma 6y ago
Can you really iMessage with your non Apple pc? Or develop iOS apps with it? Or test them? For many people being able to do it makes the difference between a salary and not being able to pay the rent As much as "a nice have" it looks, and I agree it somewhat is, that's not the full story.
- threeseed 6y ago
  Yes I can develop and test iOS apps on my Mac without a phone. And there are online services that provide real-world phones if you do need to test it. Or I can just use Testflight and have beta test users do it.
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    Yes, but I wrote > with your __non__ Apple pc?
  - romanoderoma 6y ago
    Ti be clear the point was: if my Android phone breaks or is stolen and I am on the other side of the World I can enter any store buy a 50$ replacement, put the SIM in, sync my contacts and call back home With Apple phones that's not possible If you develop Apple apps you need Apple HW, another hidden tax to be paid to be part of the ecosystem I think a company shouldn't be allowed to sell billions of devices that people rely on for daily activities, but that owners cannot control Even if life can go on without smartphones Life can also go on without refrigerators or washing machines, but if you buy one vendors don't lock customers in

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago

There are vendors of phones that are not Apple. Trying to play it off like Apple is some kind of monster denying people life necessities for the sake of profit is pretty damned stupid even by HN standards.