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I really hope that when the dust settles and they have time to do so, they share lessons learned in the past year.

by jcims 6y ago

rvz 6y ago
Well now this would get all the infrastructure guys enraged when they hear that they (Zoom) proudly rely on Oracle's infrastructure, to scale to millions of users [0] Let's wait until the first person asks if they use 'Kubernetes' yet. [0] https://www.oracle.com/customers/zoom.html https://www.oracle.com/customers/zoom.html
- InternalRun 6y ago
  They use multiple services including AWS, Oracle, Azure, and their own data center. https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/most-zoom-runs-aws-not-oracle-says-aws/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/most-zoom-runs-aw...
- ethbro 6y ago
  Not to (surprisingly) knock Oracle, but at this point halo cloud customers are "Which provider is willing to cut their own throat on pricing to be able to say they host us?"
- j45 6y ago
  If you think it's wise to just rely on one cloud technology as supreme, it is only a matter of time before that lesson teaches itself.
- tyingq 6y ago
  "Already, Zoom is transferring upwards of seven petabytes...through Oracle Cloud Infrastructure servers" Guessing egress discounts are what drives Zoom's picks for infrastructure.
- user5994461 6y ago
  They use Oracle as in Oracle Cloud. Not Oracle database. They talked about it before, must have got a great deal from Oracle trying to push their cloud aggressively against AWS. Zoom is global and multi cloud so it makes sense to get a few more datacenters if they're served on a plate.
TempLogsForOne 6y ago
Unfortunately, the same incentives that keep us from both developing or government requiring/legislating that the underlying capabilities, i.e., video/audio conferencing, be interoperable (i.e., you can call people on GoToMeeting/Teams from Zoom, or vice versa); will also likely prevent them from putting out any good information on these events. Video conferencing is yet another example of a monopolist trying to take the whole market. I realize that the old internet of distributed services and actual competition is likely something those who grew up in the facebook world will not even have a conceptual understanding of, but all of the monopolistic type centralization of services (everyone on Zoom, everyone buying from Amazon, everyone using Uber, everyone getting information through Google, etc.) is immensely dangerous, to a degree that simply cannot be overstated. Its digital, literal monoculture, where one event can have devastating cascading impacts. In many ways the current virus situation is precisely that, a devastating impact due to a monoculture created and pursued by globalism, where diversity is destroyed and everyone is an equal and controlled human entity. The very crowd that is always demanding "diversity", is also the crowd destroying actual diversity by destroying differences and trying to turn us all into the same, equal thing.
- mixedCase 6y ago
  Could it be that Zoom is just better, in the existing diversity of meeting tools, that makes more people use it? It offers good support for large rooms, is intuitive to use and all in all, "it just works".
  - FooHentai 6y ago
    Imagine having that same perspective on telephone or cellular networks - a world where you could only call other people on the same provider network, or tackle some obscure proprietary bridging system if you wanted badly to call beyond that horizon. Nobody would accept that. Yet for video calling we’ve gone down a path where it’s normalised. Yet the underlying technologies are not so different to those used for traditional audio calling, video codecs and audio codecs and transports for them can mostly be treated the same. I dunno, I realise this is somewhat of a tangent to your point but I think about it a lot and it bugs me to imagine how it could have been if we went the other way. Feels a bit like how large infrastructure project don’t seem to be possible like they were 40 years ago... something makes it that much less likely that a common good will come into being.

I really hope that when the dust settles and they have time to do so, they share lessons learned in the past year.

by jcims 6y ago

I really hope that when the dust settles and they have time to do so, they share lessons learned in the past year.

rvz 6y ago

Well now this would get all the infrastructure guys enraged when they hear that they (Zoom) proudly rely on Oracle's infrastructure, to scale to millions of users [0] Let's wait until the first person asks if they use 'Kubernetes' yet. [0] https://www.oracle.com/customers/zoom.html https://www.oracle.com/customers/zoom.html

InternalRun 6y ago
They use multiple services including AWS, Oracle, Azure, and their own data center. https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/most-zoom-runs-aws-not-oracle-says-aws/ https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/most-zoom-runs-aw...
ethbro 6y ago
Not to (surprisingly) knock Oracle, but at this point halo cloud customers are "Which provider is willing to cut their own throat on pricing to be able to say they host us?"
j45 6y ago
If you think it's wise to just rely on one cloud technology as supreme, it is only a matter of time before that lesson teaches itself.
tyingq 6y ago
"Already, Zoom is transferring upwards of seven petabytes...through Oracle Cloud Infrastructure servers" Guessing egress discounts are what drives Zoom's picks for infrastructure.
user5994461 6y ago
They use Oracle as in Oracle Cloud. Not Oracle database. They talked about it before, must have got a great deal from Oracle trying to push their cloud aggressively against AWS. Zoom is global and multi cloud so it makes sense to get a few more datacenters if they're served on a plate.

TempLogsForOne 6y ago

Unfortunately, the same incentives that keep us from both developing or government requiring/legislating that the underlying capabilities, i.e., video/audio conferencing, be interoperable (i.e., you can call people on GoToMeeting/Teams from Zoom, or vice versa); will also likely prevent them from putting out any good information on these events. Video conferencing is yet another example of a monopolist trying to take the whole market. I realize that the old internet of distributed services and actual competition is likely something those who grew up in the facebook world will not even have a conceptual understanding of, but all of the monopolistic type centralization of services (everyone on Zoom, everyone buying from Amazon, everyone using Uber, everyone getting information through Google, etc.) is immensely dangerous, to a degree that simply cannot be overstated. Its digital, literal monoculture, where one event can have devastating cascading impacts. In many ways the current virus situation is precisely that, a devastating impact due to a monoculture created and pursued by globalism, where diversity is destroyed and everyone is an equal and controlled human entity. The very crowd that is always demanding "diversity", is also the crowd destroying actual diversity by destroying differences and trying to turn us all into the same, equal thing.

mixedCase 6y ago
Could it be that Zoom is just better, in the existing diversity of meeting tools, that makes more people use it? It offers good support for large rooms, is intuitive to use and all in all, "it just works".
- FooHentai 6y ago
  Imagine having that same perspective on telephone or cellular networks - a world where you could only call other people on the same provider network, or tackle some obscure proprietary bridging system if you wanted badly to call beyond that horizon. Nobody would accept that. Yet for video calling we’ve gone down a path where it’s normalised. Yet the underlying technologies are not so different to those used for traditional audio calling, video codecs and audio codecs and transports for them can mostly be treated the same. I dunno, I realise this is somewhat of a tangent to your point but I think about it a lot and it bugs me to imagine how it could have been if we went the other way. Feels a bit like how large infrastructure project don’t seem to be possible like they were 40 years ago... something makes it that much less likely that a common good will come into being.