I'd agree - some great stuff, great innovation. The problem was they grew hugely during the dot com bubble - to a size that was never sustainable, and then pos

I'd agree - some great stuff, great innovation. The problem was they grew hugely during the dot com bubble - to a size that was never sustainable, and then post bubble, couldn't work out how to make enough money from their offerings in the face of Linux on commodity PC hardware. Not just OS/hardware either - the Java ecosystem and Libre/Open office still live on.