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OS for what ? for the entertainment system Windows might be better, you get official support and it should be fairly stable since you strip everything unnecessa

by 2rsf 6y ago

OS for what ? for the entertainment system Windows might be better, you get official support and it should be fairly stable since you strip everything unnecessary from it.

detaro 6y ago
Microsoft tried that, and it failed so hard they pretty much pretend it never existed. That world is ruled by Linux (and sometimes QNX) today.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Server room is ruled by Linux, on the embedded space there are other better suited RTOS alternatives, alongside the commercial ones, all the beloved FOSS alternatives are MIT/BSD based. And even on server room, thanks to cloud, managed runtimes and servless, Linux's relevance is going to don't matter in the upcoming decade.
  - detaro 6y ago
    The specific context mentioned was integrated entertainment systems in cars, and no, there are no "better suited RTOS alternatives" in common use there. It's Linux or QNX. Your generic talking points about Linux in other fields are completely irrelevant for that.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Fair enough, then I would point out to the bare metal Qt deployments and Android as well (which the Linux kernel is an implementation detail for the Java and ISO C userspace).
- jaywalk 6y ago
  The original Ford Sync, which was developed entirely by Microsoft, was great. Ford decided that they would develop their own UI for the next version on top of Windows Automotive, and it was an absolute mess. They blamed Microsoft, switched the OS to QNX and developed an all new UI, which is still a mess to this day. I don't think Windows Automotive got a fair shake.
  - sanitycheck 6y ago
    MS made a bad situation worse there - they took over version 2 from the original devs, outsourced maintenance, and pushed back on change requests assuming Ford would let them build V3 from scratch instead of (painfully) improving V2. That, as you know, is not what happened!
    - jaywalk 6y ago
      Interesting! I didn't know Ford brought Microsoft back on board to try and rescue the disastrous v2. No surprise that that it didn't work out, though. If I remember correctly, the UI was Flash and the hardware was vastly underpowered.
MaxBarraclough 6y ago
> you get official support How is that better than paying for Linux support, where there's a market for this service, rather than a monopoly?

by 2rsf 6y ago

OS for what ? for the entertainment system Windows might be better, you get official support and it should be fairly stable since you strip everything unnecessary from it.

detaro 6y ago

Microsoft tried that, and it failed so hard they pretty much pretend it never existed. That world is ruled by Linux (and sometimes QNX) today.

pjmlp 6y ago
Server room is ruled by Linux, on the embedded space there are other better suited RTOS alternatives, alongside the commercial ones, all the beloved FOSS alternatives are MIT/BSD based. And even on server room, thanks to cloud, managed runtimes and servless, Linux's relevance is going to don't matter in the upcoming decade.
- detaro 6y ago
  The specific context mentioned was integrated entertainment systems in cars, and no, there are no "better suited RTOS alternatives" in common use there. It's Linux or QNX. Your generic talking points about Linux in other fields are completely irrelevant for that.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Fair enough, then I would point out to the bare metal Qt deployments and Android as well (which the Linux kernel is an implementation detail for the Java and ISO C userspace).
jaywalk 6y ago
The original Ford Sync, which was developed entirely by Microsoft, was great. Ford decided that they would develop their own UI for the next version on top of Windows Automotive, and it was an absolute mess. They blamed Microsoft, switched the OS to QNX and developed an all new UI, which is still a mess to this day. I don't think Windows Automotive got a fair shake.
- sanitycheck 6y ago
  MS made a bad situation worse there - they took over version 2 from the original devs, outsourced maintenance, and pushed back on change requests assuming Ford would let them build V3 from scratch instead of (painfully) improving V2. That, as you know, is not what happened!
  - jaywalk 6y ago
    Interesting! I didn't know Ford brought Microsoft back on board to try and rescue the disastrous v2. No surprise that that it didn't work out, though. If I remember correctly, the UI was Flash and the hardware was vastly underpowered.

MaxBarraclough 6y ago

> you get official support How is that better than paying for Linux support, where there's a market for this service, rather than a monopoly?