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To the dead thread by lcall/thefounder: To them it's very related. "Signs of the times" giving people a 'sign of His coming'. 'The sun will darken' (most of Ca

To the dead thread by lcall/thefounder: To them it's very related. "Signs of the times" giving people a 'sign of His coming'. 'The sun will darken' (most of Cali the sun is a bit more dim due to all the smoke). Among many other 'signs'. But to throw some water on the fire, depending on your POV every generation since Christ could. say. this. [1] At the same time. As someone of a similar faith to OC (original comment), I have to mention that I'm gravely concerned that the religious people of the USA are being worked up into a frenzy. It's bizarre to me how common the attitude of the OC is. This has been going on the past year but I'm not sure if it's the pandemic is taxing people's sanity or what but there is an interesting shift happening within the religious community that is actually concerning to me. The UAE/Israel deal seems to whip up more fervor. Almost like a brainwashing/weaponization of Christianity, albeit this is par the course for American Christianity. My disdain for it remains. My last point is that the OC is concerned about the future. That is a good thing. Start from there. Don't debate that 'Jesus isn't real' or some other else that's a non-starter. Instead, find the common ground. They are concerned about the changes. THEY SHOULD BE! And encourage them to be apart of the solution. We have one planet. Whether Jesus comes back or not, we aren't treating this planet well and it's obvious to all of us. Let's work on a solution together. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_apocalyptic_events https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dates_predicted_for_ap...

lcall 6y ago
Thanks for your comment. After a quick mirror check, I don't think I feel frenzied, while simply saying I have many long-considered reasons for my beliefs. :) . (ps: I am not predicting dates and I doubt anyone is qualified to.) I wholly agree that we should do our best to be clean, care for this wonderful planet, and I try to do my part (conserving, recycling, avoiding pollution, etc). I think another key is that we need to act in ways that enable trust in each other, and to be honest at least, which seems remote (globally speaking). I do get the idea that you and I with others could work together, finding areas of agreement, and doing our best. I don't think we can "fix" climate change while rejecting the counsel of the planet's Creator, but we can still try to be good and honest with each other -- that is exceedingly worthwhile in itself. Thanks again.
- lcall 6y ago
  pps: with downvotes, a thoughtfully considered comment is appreciated. Thanks.
thefounder 6y ago
Religions have always been used as political "weapons". The religion themselves are pretty much politics with their leaders enactic laws, policies and even motivating their existence/rank using the religion itself. E.g: "our people was chosen to be in a covenant with god and he chose me to lead you so do as I say because he only talks with me!". I think it's the time to leave superstitions and religions behind and use some facts/measurements and reason to fix things up(i.e climate change) without to wait for someone else from sky to fix them up for us.
- heimatau 6y ago
  > I think it's the time to leave superstitions and religions behind So, when the planet is on the brink of going in flames, you choose division instead of commonality. You're choosing to focus on where you disagree than where you have agreement. > to wait for someone else from sky to fix them up for us. This is a false perception. Because lcall just said he's trying to "do his part" [1]. They are hoping for a solution, even if you disagree with it being possible. Again, I want to reiterate this. We have one planet. One. We have one shot at fixing our problems. Are you trying to compound the problems by arguing about someone you believe is a "superstition"? That's effectively what you're doing. I say this not entirely to you. Many people in the tech community think the way you do. And I'm making a public comment, in hope, that others learn from the clear destructive mob mentality that people engage with. Are you trying to be "right" or are you trying to get more people to solve this very difficult problem that affects everyone? [1] - "I wholly agree that we should do our best to be clean, care for this wonderful planet, and I try to do my part (conserving, recycling, avoiding pollution, etc)." -lcall

lcall 6y ago

Thanks for your comment. After a quick mirror check, I don't think I feel frenzied, while simply saying I have many long-considered reasons for my beliefs. :) . (ps: I am not predicting dates and I doubt anyone is qualified to.) I wholly agree that we should do our best to be clean, care for this wonderful planet, and I try to do my part (conserving, recycling, avoiding pollution, etc). I think another key is that we need to act in ways that enable trust in each other, and to be honest at least, which seems remote (globally speaking). I do get the idea that you and I with others could work together, finding areas of agreement, and doing our best. I don't think we can "fix" climate change while rejecting the counsel of the planet's Creator, but we can still try to be good and honest with each other -- that is exceedingly worthwhile in itself. Thanks again.

lcall 6y ago
pps: with downvotes, a thoughtfully considered comment is appreciated. Thanks.

thefounder 6y ago

Religions have always been used as political "weapons". The religion themselves are pretty much politics with their leaders enactic laws, policies and even motivating their existence/rank using the religion itself. E.g: "our people was chosen to be in a covenant with god and he chose me to lead you so do as I say because he only talks with me!". I think it's the time to leave superstitions and religions behind and use some facts/measurements and reason to fix things up(i.e climate change) without to wait for someone else from sky to fix them up for us.

heimatau 6y ago
> I think it's the time to leave superstitions and religions behind So, when the planet is on the brink of going in flames, you choose division instead of commonality. You're choosing to focus on where you disagree than where you have agreement. > to wait for someone else from sky to fix them up for us. This is a false perception. Because lcall just said he's trying to "do his part" [1]. They are hoping for a solution, even if you disagree with it being possible. Again, I want to reiterate this. We have one planet. One. We have one shot at fixing our problems. Are you trying to compound the problems by arguing about someone you believe is a "superstition"? That's effectively what you're doing. I say this not entirely to you. Many people in the tech community think the way you do. And I'm making a public comment, in hope, that others learn from the clear destructive mob mentality that people engage with. Are you trying to be "right" or are you trying to get more people to solve this very difficult problem that affects everyone? [1] - "I wholly agree that we should do our best to be clean, care for this wonderful planet, and I try to do my part (conserving, recycling, avoiding pollution, etc)." -lcall