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All of that is seen through the filter of the media. They have a story that they want to sell. They need to grab eyeballs. They are also political, and so they

by burfog 6y ago

All of that is seen through the filter of the media. They have a story that they want to sell. They need to grab eyeballs. They are also political, and so they want to push what helps advance their own political goals, even if it tears the country apart. Specifically, every one of these is subject to selection bias: "nearly always white" "unnecessarily violent tactics" "nearly always Black" You won't see a news report when the tactics are peaceful, when a black cop is involved, or when the supposed victim is non-black. Nobody is going to riot over that, so why report it? It goes unseen by you, so you get the wrong impression about reality. A different sort of bias comes into play with word choice, using "victims" to refer to people who typically are violent criminals being apprehended. The word ought to be "perpetrators", "suspects", or simply "criminals".

JohnBooty 6y ago
Of course "the media" focuses on incidents where cops abuse their power. "The media" also exalts policemen and soldiers as heroes, with countless reminders to thank our "heroes" and millions of hours of Hollywood entertainment devoted to showcasing heroic soldiers and cops. Much of the media denounces the protests as well. A different sort of bias comes into play with word choice, using "victims" to refer to people who typically are violent criminals being apprehended. The word ought to be "perpetrators", "suspects", or simply "criminals". Surely you see the irony in using an equally loaded set of terms yourself? In all of the incidents that sparked outcry, police were shown on video using vastly asymmetrical force against victims who were nonviolent or who had already been subdued. One, Breona Taylor, was in bed when police knocked down the wrong door when serving a no-knock warrant. Elijah, the teen injected with ketamine, was nonviolent and had no history of violence or crime. There are a lot of incidents of police violence in which the suspect is behaving violently and, in these cases, I have not seen public outcry.
- burfog 6y ago
  Do you think there are no black cops abusing their power, or that there are no white victims? It's hidden from you by the media because it doesn't fit the narrative of racist white cops abusing innocent black victims. Statistics paint a different picture. Given that there is a police response to crime, a white criminal is more likely to be shot by the police. I have seen plenty of public outcry over police violence when the suspect was behaving violently. The riots in Ferguson are the obvious example. Evidence of powder burns and of DNA in the car show that the BLM story was clearly false. The evidence is consistent with the story given by the cop. It's been like that for every case that I've researched, so at this point I'm done with research. It's always the same, more or less.
  - JohnBooty 6y ago
    Do you think there are no black cops abusing their power, or that there are no white victims? I do not think that. Additionally, literally nobody is claiming that. Anywhere.
    - burfog 6y ago
      Not exactly, but pretty close: "it's very telling when (nearly always white) officers leap to unnecessarily violent tactics on (nearly always Black) victims" You got that distorted perspective from the media bias. It's just not that way. Some statistics even point the other way.
      - JohnBooty 6y ago
        So, it's very telling when (nearly always white) officers leap to unnecessarily violent tactics on (nearly always Black) victims. I could have been clearer about the context of my statement: I was referring to the police shootings that have made national headlines. My bad. Nonetheless, while the overall reality of police killings in America is less dramatic than "nearly always", but it worrisomely lopsided. Black Americans are killed by police at a per-capita rate of roughly 2:1 compared to white Americans. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/data-show-deaths-from-police-violence-disproportionately-affect-people-of-color https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/data-show-de... That is... not good. How do you explain that?
        burfog 6y ago
        Crime rate is different. There are at least 3 ways to do the statistic: 1. What race has the biggest number being killed by cops? (answer: white) 2. What race has the most per-capita being killed by cops? (answer: black) 3. What race is most likely to be killed by cops if they get in a police confrontation? (answer: white) The obvious solution for non-equality with #2 is to fix the culture so that conflict with the cops is less likely. Don't do crime. If you are stopped by cops, be fully compliant and don't look like a threat. When stopped by the cops, don't even think of reaching for something they can't see. You just wait, and then you'll be able to sort things out in court. Eh, we also should fix the non-equality with #3. It shouldn't be more excusable to shoot white people.

by burfog 6y ago

JohnBooty 6y ago

Of course "the media" focuses on incidents where cops abuse their power. "The media" also exalts policemen and soldiers as heroes, with countless reminders to thank our "heroes" and millions of hours of Hollywood entertainment devoted to showcasing heroic soldiers and cops. Much of the media denounces the protests as well. A different sort of bias comes into play with word choice, using "victims" to refer to people who typically are violent criminals being apprehended. The word ought to be "perpetrators", "suspects", or simply "criminals". Surely you see the irony in using an equally loaded set of terms yourself? In all of the incidents that sparked outcry, police were shown on video using vastly asymmetrical force against victims who were nonviolent or who had already been subdued. One, Breona Taylor, was in bed when police knocked down the wrong door when serving a no-knock warrant. Elijah, the teen injected with ketamine, was nonviolent and had no history of violence or crime. There are a lot of incidents of police violence in which the suspect is behaving violently and, in these cases, I have not seen public outcry.

burfog 6y ago
Do you think there are no black cops abusing their power, or that there are no white victims? It's hidden from you by the media because it doesn't fit the narrative of racist white cops abusing innocent black victims. Statistics paint a different picture. Given that there is a police response to crime, a white criminal is more likely to be shot by the police. I have seen plenty of public outcry over police violence when the suspect was behaving violently. The riots in Ferguson are the obvious example. Evidence of powder burns and of DNA in the car show that the BLM story was clearly false. The evidence is consistent with the story given by the cop. It's been like that for every case that I've researched, so at this point I'm done with research. It's always the same, more or less.
- JohnBooty 6y ago
  Do you think there are no black cops abusing their power, or that there are no white victims? I do not think that. Additionally, literally nobody is claiming that. Anywhere.
  - burfog 6y ago
    Not exactly, but pretty close: "it's very telling when (nearly always white) officers leap to unnecessarily violent tactics on (nearly always Black) victims" You got that distorted perspective from the media bias. It's just not that way. Some statistics even point the other way.
    - JohnBooty 6y ago
      So, it's very telling when (nearly always white) officers leap to unnecessarily violent tactics on (nearly always Black) victims. I could have been clearer about the context of my statement: I was referring to the police shootings that have made national headlines. My bad. Nonetheless, while the overall reality of police killings in America is less dramatic than "nearly always", but it worrisomely lopsided. Black Americans are killed by police at a per-capita rate of roughly 2:1 compared to white Americans. https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/data-show-deaths-from-police-violence-disproportionately-affect-people-of-color https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/data-show-de... That is... not good. How do you explain that?
      - burfog 6y ago
        Crime rate is different. There are at least 3 ways to do the statistic: 1. What race has the biggest number being killed by cops? (answer: white) 2. What race has the most per-capita being killed by cops? (answer: black) 3. What race is most likely to be killed by cops if they get in a police confrontation? (answer: white) The obvious solution for non-equality with #2 is to fix the culture so that conflict with the cops is less likely. Don't do crime. If you are stopped by cops, be fully compliant and don't look like a threat. When stopped by the cops, don't even think of reaching for something they can't see. You just wait, and then you'll be able to sort things out in court. Eh, we also should fix the non-equality with #3. It shouldn't be more excusable to shoot white people.