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Is it really true that it’s inert? I thought making solar panels was a pretty toxic endeavor, which is in part why so many are made in China. Is it just in the

Is it really true that it’s inert? I thought making solar panels was a pretty toxic endeavor, which is in part why so many are made in China. Is it just in the manufacturing or in the final product too?

agumonkey 6y ago
The silicon purification uses loads of fluor based acid IIRC. But the cell in itself is mostly Si + some minute amount of other metals (layers and pads). Lastly there's the resin and framing.
- pfdietz 6y ago
  Purification of silicon is by conversion to trichlorosilane, followed by distillation. No fluorine is involved. The side by products of this process are very quickly hydrolyzed to silica and hydrochloric acid, neither of which is something to worry about as a persistent pollutant. The volumes are also small. Just a few hundred thousand tons of silicon are used every year for all electronics (PV and ICs combined).
  - unpolloloco 6y ago
    HF is used in boatloads for silicon wafer manufacturing. Not sure about solar. This might be what they're referring to? But...(at least in the US), wafer manufacturing is highly regulated and focused on safe waste handling...
    - pfdietz 6y ago
      I'm not sure how much that is, though. On the other hand, manufacture of aluminum from ore requires several kilograms of HF per ton of aluminum. So perhaps the HF usage in PV manufacture is dominated by the production of the aluminum frames for the modules. I think the dominant consumer of HF, industrially, is in petroleum refineries, where HF is used in alkylation units.
  - agumonkey 6y ago
    As you wish.
me_me_me 6y ago
> which is in part why so many are made in China No, China actively bought the tech and move the production into mainland china. Closing down boughtout businesses after all knowledge was absorbed. Their strategy was to become market leader in solar - its a good future bet.

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Is it really true that it’s inert? I thought making solar panels was a pretty toxic endeavor, which is in part why so many are made in China. Is it just in the

by azinman2 6y ago

agumonkey 6y ago
The silicon purification uses loads of fluor based acid IIRC. But the cell in itself is mostly Si + some minute amount of other metals (layers and pads). Lastly there's the resin and framing.
- pfdietz 6y ago
  Purification of silicon is by conversion to trichlorosilane, followed by distillation. No fluorine is involved. The side by products of this process are very quickly hydrolyzed to silica and hydrochloric acid, neither of which is something to worry about as a persistent pollutant. The volumes are also small. Just a few hundred thousand tons of silicon are used every year for all electronics (PV and ICs combined).
  - unpolloloco 6y ago
    HF is used in boatloads for silicon wafer manufacturing. Not sure about solar. This might be what they're referring to? But...(at least in the US), wafer manufacturing is highly regulated and focused on safe waste handling...
    - pfdietz 6y ago
      I'm not sure how much that is, though. On the other hand, manufacture of aluminum from ore requires several kilograms of HF per ton of aluminum. So perhaps the HF usage in PV manufacture is dominated by the production of the aluminum frames for the modules. I think the dominant consumer of HF, industrially, is in petroleum refineries, where HF is used in alkylation units.
  - agumonkey 6y ago
    As you wish.
me_me_me 6y ago
> which is in part why so many are made in China No, China actively bought the tech and move the production into mainland china. Closing down boughtout businesses after all knowledge was absorbed. Their strategy was to become market leader in solar - its a good future bet.