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> Their war chest is funded by gambling mechanics, mostly gambling mechanics which are actively aimed at minors. Funny that Apple wants a cut of this action.

by _qulr 6y ago

> Their war chest is funded by gambling mechanics, mostly gambling mechanics which are actively aimed at minors. Funny that Apple wants a cut of this action. In fact the App Store was a giant contributor to the free with In App Purchase model of software, undermining the previous paid upfront model.

falcolas 6y ago
As I said, there's plenty to hate about Apple as well. But as bad as that IAP is for companies, it's actually not terrible for customers - they're only having to interact with one trusted party when it comes to their payments. The cost will be higher (which is not nice) since companies will pass that cost on to their customers. This in comparison to the wild west of submitting your payment information to every Tom, Dick and Mary out there.
- _qulr 6y ago
  > This in comparison to the wild west of submitting your payment information to every Tom, Dick and Mary out there. Somehow capitalism survived this situation in all of history prior to 2008. Also, Visa and Mastercard have a duopoly over payments, so it's not entirely accurate to say that it's the "wild west", or even that there weren't "trusted parties" before Apple. In my experience, the credit card companies are actually quite protective of customer payments, and you don't have to pay if there's fraud. They just cancel your card and send you a new one. It's largely the merchants who have to eat that cost.
  - falcolas 6y ago
    How many websites out there - who don't use a trusted third party like Stripe or PayPal - are you willing to submit your Visa or MC information to? My answer is pretty close to zero, with a few exceptions for large companies who have earned my trust with my payment information.
    - _qulr 6y ago
      I do it all the time, and have for decades. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Personally, I don't have much trust for PayPal or Stripe. PayPal is infamous for randomly banning accounts, for example.
- dylz 6y ago
  Being Epic, of course there's an example already: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-08-12-epic-games-hit-with-class-action-lawsuit-over-hacked-fortnite-accounts https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-08-12-epic-games-hit... > The law firm reported that Epic was notified about the security issue back in November 2018, but didn't acknowledge the problem until two months later. > The data breach occurred back in January this year, when hackers found a flaw in Fortnite's login system, allowing them to impersonate players and purchase V-Bucks with the bank information attached to their accounts. Epic is truly not a company you want to be supporting in this. I am not an Apple fan (I have a phone from all major mobile OSes), but Epic is truly abhorrent and stands for everything you do not want sticking their fingers into everything. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/b15k8g/epic_games_launcher_appears_to_collect_your_steam/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/b15k8g/epic_games... They've refused to pay out newly-introduced bug bounties over mass hijackings of their subdomains, do sketchy spyware-like stuff with their software running on your machine, collect data without consent, etc. Even if you hate Apple's stance on IAP, this is absolutely not a big guy vs little guy fight.

by _qulr 6y ago

falcolas 6y ago

As I said, there's plenty to hate about Apple as well. But as bad as that IAP is for companies, it's actually not terrible for customers - they're only having to interact with one trusted party when it comes to their payments. The cost will be higher (which is not nice) since companies will pass that cost on to their customers. This in comparison to the wild west of submitting your payment information to every Tom, Dick and Mary out there.

_qulr 6y ago
> This in comparison to the wild west of submitting your payment information to every Tom, Dick and Mary out there. Somehow capitalism survived this situation in all of history prior to 2008. Also, Visa and Mastercard have a duopoly over payments, so it's not entirely accurate to say that it's the "wild west", or even that there weren't "trusted parties" before Apple. In my experience, the credit card companies are actually quite protective of customer payments, and you don't have to pay if there's fraud. They just cancel your card and send you a new one. It's largely the merchants who have to eat that cost.
- falcolas 6y ago
  How many websites out there - who don't use a trusted third party like Stripe or PayPal - are you willing to submit your Visa or MC information to? My answer is pretty close to zero, with a few exceptions for large companies who have earned my trust with my payment information.
  - _qulr 6y ago
    I do it all the time, and have for decades. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Personally, I don't have much trust for PayPal or Stripe. PayPal is infamous for randomly banning accounts, for example.
dylz 6y ago
Being Epic, of course there's an example already: https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-08-12-epic-games-hit-with-class-action-lawsuit-over-hacked-fortnite-accounts https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-08-12-epic-games-hit... > The law firm reported that Epic was notified about the security issue back in November 2018, but didn't acknowledge the problem until two months later. > The data breach occurred back in January this year, when hackers found a flaw in Fortnite's login system, allowing them to impersonate players and purchase V-Bucks with the bank information attached to their accounts. Epic is truly not a company you want to be supporting in this. I am not an Apple fan (I have a phone from all major mobile OSes), but Epic is truly abhorrent and stands for everything you do not want sticking their fingers into everything. https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/b15k8g/epic_games_launcher_appears_to_collect_your_steam/ https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/b15k8g/epic_games... They've refused to pay out newly-introduced bug bounties over mass hijackings of their subdomains, do sketchy spyware-like stuff with their software running on your machine, collect data without consent, etc. Even if you hate Apple's stance on IAP, this is absolutely not a big guy vs little guy fight.