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They can't. This is another attempt by Epic at gaining public sympathy for intentionally breaking the terms of their licensing agreement with Apple to publish o

They can't. This is another attempt by Epic at gaining public sympathy for intentionally breaking the terms of their licensing agreement with Apple to publish on the app store.

n42 6y ago
Between this PR nonsense and attempting to strong-arm it’s way into the market by introducing exclusives to PC, I have quite little sympathy for Epic. Apple’s “bad behavior” here ultimately aligns with my desires as a consumer. By controlling the marketplace, they enforce privacy and UX controls. They use that money to improve the products I use every day. I cannot say the same for Epic. Every battle they are starting is to degrade my experience as a consumer so they can make even more money.
gpm 6y ago
This is a legal argument to a court attempting to get an injunction. It seems to me to have very little to do with public sympathy. The public really doesn't give a crap about whether or not their is one contract or multiple, or the quality of apples legal arguments, which seems to be some of the core issues raised in this motion responding to Apple's motion.
- falcolas 6y ago
  It may also be a legal argument, but it's very clearly a move to gain public sentiment to their side - it's being published broadly by the media, after all. Epic is painting themselves as the underdogs being bullied by Apple - the multi-billion dollar contract-breaking underdog.
  - Gwypaas 6y ago
    Facing the multi-trillion dollar gorilla, if this would even be a relevent perspective.
  - cycloptic 6y ago
    When was Epic ever given a chance to negotiate the terms of this contract?
    - falcolas 6y ago
      They were given the same chance as you and I are with Epic's TOS for their games/game store. They wanted access to the iOS market, and the terms were there.
      - cycloptic 6y ago
        Which same chance is that? Please fill me in, I've never negotiated with Epic's game store.
        falcolas 6y ago
        Zero. It's take-it-or-leave-it. Standard contract negotiation "tactics" these days.
        cycloptic 6y ago
        That's unfortunate, maybe neither of them should be doing it?
        hellisothers 6y ago
        Is it though? If you create a set of rules for your sandbox and somebody comes along and wants to play in it but only if you change the rules and you say “no thanks”, that seems totally reasonable. Why should you have to negotiate?
        cycloptic 6y ago
        The "sandbox" isn't their property anymore, it was sold to the end user when they bought the phone.
  - gpm 6y ago
    > it's very clearly a move to gain public sentiment to their side While they have certainly engaged in PR, I really don't see this motion as being motivated by PR in any way... > the multi-billion dollar contract-breaking underdog. This is assuming Apple wins. If Epic is right they didn't break any contract because the terms Apple is claiming they broke were in fact not legally binding in the first place, by virtue of being illegal.

They can't. This is another attempt by Epic at gaining public sympathy for intentionally breaking the terms of their licensing agreement with Apple to publish on the app store.

n42 6y ago

Between this PR nonsense and attempting to strong-arm it’s way into the market by introducing exclusives to PC, I have quite little sympathy for Epic. Apple’s “bad behavior” here ultimately aligns with my desires as a consumer. By controlling the marketplace, they enforce privacy and UX controls. They use that money to improve the products I use every day. I cannot say the same for Epic. Every battle they are starting is to degrade my experience as a consumer so they can make even more money.

gpm 6y ago

This is a legal argument to a court attempting to get an injunction. It seems to me to have very little to do with public sympathy. The public really doesn't give a crap about whether or not their is one contract or multiple, or the quality of apples legal arguments, which seems to be some of the core issues raised in this motion responding to Apple's motion.

falcolas 6y ago
It may also be a legal argument, but it's very clearly a move to gain public sentiment to their side - it's being published broadly by the media, after all. Epic is painting themselves as the underdogs being bullied by Apple - the multi-billion dollar contract-breaking underdog.
- Gwypaas 6y ago
  Facing the multi-trillion dollar gorilla, if this would even be a relevent perspective.
- cycloptic 6y ago
  When was Epic ever given a chance to negotiate the terms of this contract?
  - falcolas 6y ago
    They were given the same chance as you and I are with Epic's TOS for their games/game store. They wanted access to the iOS market, and the terms were there.
    - cycloptic 6y ago
      Which same chance is that? Please fill me in, I've never negotiated with Epic's game store.
      - falcolas 6y ago
        Zero. It's take-it-or-leave-it. Standard contract negotiation "tactics" these days.
        cycloptic 6y ago
        That's unfortunate, maybe neither of them should be doing it?
        hellisothers 6y ago
        Is it though? If you create a set of rules for your sandbox and somebody comes along and wants to play in it but only if you change the rules and you say “no thanks”, that seems totally reasonable. Why should you have to negotiate?
        cycloptic 6y ago
        The "sandbox" isn't their property anymore, it was sold to the end user when they bought the phone.
- gpm 6y ago
  > it's very clearly a move to gain public sentiment to their side While they have certainly engaged in PR, I really don't see this motion as being motivated by PR in any way... > the multi-billion dollar contract-breaking underdog. This is assuming Apple wins. If Epic is right they didn't break any contract because the terms Apple is claiming they broke were in fact not legally binding in the first place, by virtue of being illegal.