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> - One is a slur based strictly on the color of one's skin I've talked to far-right people who would dispute that. They'd say there's a difference between a b

> - One is a slur based strictly on the color of one's skin I've talked to far-right people who would dispute that. They'd say there's a difference between a black man and a n., and you can be a n. if you're white, because it's the behavior that defines it. > - One is a slur based on one's sexual preferences That one is even more questionable, I believe. Effeminate men are called f., especially homosexuals. Nobody calls a bear that. Sissy would be a similar term, and it's used in similar ways as a pejorative towards heterosexual men when they act "unmanly" in the same way. > One is a slur based on a self-applied label As was mentioned: it is not always self-applied, especially not when used as a slur, where the usage has reached inflationary levels on e.g. imgur.

coolgeek 6y ago
> I've talked to far-right people who would dispute that. They'd say there's a difference You are correct that they do this. I've heard it for decades. The primary problem with this is that people don't get to make up their own definitions for words, and force those definitions on the rest of society. A secondary reason is that it's a BS cop-out. They know what they mean when they use the word. We know what they mean when they use the word. Lying about it when they get called on exposes them as the hateful cowards that they are.
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  > The primary problem with this is that people don't get to make up their own definitions for words, and force those definitions on the rest of society. Do you think that certain communities should not have their own dialect? Or do you think that if a member of such a community happens to use said dialect outside of the community and later clarified the specific definitions of the words that they used, they should not be given the benefit of the doubt? > that it's a BS cop-out. They know what they mean when they use the word. We know what they mean when they use the word. Lying about it when they get called on exposes them as the hateful cowards that they are. I am not black and I have been called a [censored] in the past, quite a few times in fact. It used to be quite common in multiplayer games and certain online communities around a decade ago, it still is but less so. If you know what they meant when they used that word then please do tell me, because I seriously doubt that they believed that I was an african american.
JohnBooty 6y ago
As was mentioned: it is not always self-applied especially not when used as a slur, where the usage has reached inflationary levels on e.g. imgur. Is it wrong to insult somebody purely based on their sex life or perceived lack thereof? Yes. I would agree. However, that is not how "incel" is typically used. "Incel" refers to men who hold a specific set of misogynistic beliefs; chief among them the belief that they have been unfairly denied access to sex.
- dependenttypes 6y ago
  > It's used as an insult towards those who manifest a particular brand of misogyny. Just like [censored] and [censored] are used as an insult towards people who are annoying, right? > It is not an insult hurled merely at those who are not having sex. Nobody cares how much sex a random internet stranger is or is not having. "It is not an insult hurled merely at those who are black/homosexual. Nobody cares what colour/sexual orientation an internet stranger has." > Your other two points are absurd and I will not address them. > Is that what you're after? Did you just need to read those words? Can you please start acting in a mature way? Seeing you insult everyone around just because they made the mistake to enter into a discussion with you is annoying. This is not the first post where you act like that either.

coolgeek 6y ago

> I've talked to far-right people who would dispute that. They'd say there's a difference You are correct that they do this. I've heard it for decades. The primary problem with this is that people don't get to make up their own definitions for words, and force those definitions on the rest of society. A secondary reason is that it's a BS cop-out. They know what they mean when they use the word. We know what they mean when they use the word. Lying about it when they get called on exposes them as the hateful cowards that they are.

dependenttypes 6y ago
> The primary problem with this is that people don't get to make up their own definitions for words, and force those definitions on the rest of society. Do you think that certain communities should not have their own dialect? Or do you think that if a member of such a community happens to use said dialect outside of the community and later clarified the specific definitions of the words that they used, they should not be given the benefit of the doubt? > that it's a BS cop-out. They know what they mean when they use the word. We know what they mean when they use the word. Lying about it when they get called on exposes them as the hateful cowards that they are. I am not black and I have been called a [censored] in the past, quite a few times in fact. It used to be quite common in multiplayer games and certain online communities around a decade ago, it still is but less so. If you know what they meant when they used that word then please do tell me, because I seriously doubt that they believed that I was an african american.

JohnBooty 6y ago

As was mentioned: it is not always self-applied especially not when used as a slur, where the usage has reached inflationary levels on e.g. imgur. Is it wrong to insult somebody purely based on their sex life or perceived lack thereof? Yes. I would agree. However, that is not how "incel" is typically used. "Incel" refers to men who hold a specific set of misogynistic beliefs; chief among them the belief that they have been unfairly denied access to sex.

dependenttypes 6y ago
> It's used as an insult towards those who manifest a particular brand of misogyny. Just like [censored] and [censored] are used as an insult towards people who are annoying, right? > It is not an insult hurled merely at those who are not having sex. Nobody cares how much sex a random internet stranger is or is not having. "It is not an insult hurled merely at those who are black/homosexual. Nobody cares what colour/sexual orientation an internet stranger has." > Your other two points are absurd and I will not address them. > Is that what you're after? Did you just need to read those words? Can you please start acting in a mature way? Seeing you insult everyone around just because they made the mistake to enter into a discussion with you is annoying. This is not the first post where you act like that either.