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Yup. I use ProtonVPN on account of its Swiss jurisdiction and no-logs policy. It’s not perfect, but puts up enough obstacles for me to feel better about it tha

Yup. I use ProtonVPN on account of its Swiss jurisdiction and no-logs policy. It’s not perfect, but puts up enough obstacles for me to feel better about it than some fly-by-night VPN

gruez 6y ago
> Yup. I use ProtonVPN on account of its Swiss jurisdiction and no-logs policy. Can switzerland even be considered "non-cooperative"? I mean, most people probably think so because of their reputation as a an "offshore bank", but that's been eroded due to the passing of FATCA.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
  Switzerland is interesting from a copyright aspect in multiple ways: - Downloading copyrighted material, even from obviously shady sources, is perfectly legal. - Sharing said material with your friends, even if you obtained it from an obviously shady source, is perfectly legal. - Sharing it with random strangers (as happens while torrenting) is not legal, but hard to prosecute, because: - private companies collecting IP addresses to sue uploaders violate privacy laws, and thus commit a crime themselves (!) [1] I didn't check, but I'd also assume: - That ISPs and VPN providers aren't required (and quite likely even aren't allowed) to disclose the identity behind an IP address to a private entity - That VPN providers (unlike ISPs) aren't required to maintain such logs, and thus typically don't. For comparison, in Germany, downloading from "obviously illegal" sources is prohibited, further sharing a copy from such sources among friends is prohibited (and since breaking copy protection is prohibited too, having a DRM-free copy of the content is a pretty strong indicator that it comes from an illegal source - unless you got it from a Swiss friend...). [1] https://www.weka.ch/themen/it-technik/it-sicherheit-und-recht/informatikrecht/article/ip-adressen-es-gilt-das-datenschutzrecht/ https://www.weka.ch/themen/it-technik/it-sicherheit-und-rech...

Yup. I use ProtonVPN on account of its Swiss jurisdiction and no-logs policy. It’s not perfect, but puts up enough obstacles for me to feel better about it than some fly-by-night VPN

gruez 6y ago

> Yup. I use ProtonVPN on account of its Swiss jurisdiction and no-logs policy. Can switzerland even be considered "non-cooperative"? I mean, most people probably think so because of their reputation as a an "offshore bank", but that's been eroded due to the passing of FATCA.

tgsovlerkhgsel 6y ago
Switzerland is interesting from a copyright aspect in multiple ways: - Downloading copyrighted material, even from obviously shady sources, is perfectly legal. - Sharing said material with your friends, even if you obtained it from an obviously shady source, is perfectly legal. - Sharing it with random strangers (as happens while torrenting) is not legal, but hard to prosecute, because: - private companies collecting IP addresses to sue uploaders violate privacy laws, and thus commit a crime themselves (!) [1] I didn't check, but I'd also assume: - That ISPs and VPN providers aren't required (and quite likely even aren't allowed) to disclose the identity behind an IP address to a private entity - That VPN providers (unlike ISPs) aren't required to maintain such logs, and thus typically don't. For comparison, in Germany, downloading from "obviously illegal" sources is prohibited, further sharing a copy from such sources among friends is prohibited (and since breaking copy protection is prohibited too, having a DRM-free copy of the content is a pretty strong indicator that it comes from an illegal source - unless you got it from a Swiss friend...). [1] https://www.weka.ch/themen/it-technik/it-sicherheit-und-recht/informatikrecht/article/ip-adressen-es-gilt-das-datenschutzrecht/ https://www.weka.ch/themen/it-technik/it-sicherheit-und-rech...