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It is different in that iTunes.com returns text/html: HTTP/1.0 200 OK Last-Modified: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:46:08 GMT Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

by mojuba 18y ago

It is different in that iTunes.com returns text/html: HTTP/1.0 200 OK Last-Modified: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:46:08 GMT Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Encoding: gzip x-apple-aka-ttl: Generated Thu Jul 10 08:46:08 PDT 2008, Expires Thu Jul 10 08:46:08 PDT 2008, TTL 0s x-apple-application-instance: 6105 x-apple-asset-version: 46436 x-apple-max-age: 0 x-apple-request-store-front: <null> x-apple-date-generated: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:46:08 GMT x-webobjects-loadaverage: 0 Content-Length: 1940 Vary: Accept-Encoding Expires: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:46:08 GMT Cache-Control: max-age=0, no-cache, no-store Pragma: no-cache Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 15:46:08 GMT Connection: keep-alive X-Apple-Partner: origin.0 Now, why should this be handled by a custom application? Isn't it called breaking the Web?

raganwald 18y ago
Have you used iTMS? It does a bunch of stuff not handled by any browser without proprietary plug-ins. So either (a) they have to cut functionality, (b) they have to give you one or more proprietary plug-ins to give you the same functionality in another browser, or (c) provide an application that is also a site-specific web browser, which is what they have done with iTunes. If it is a choice between (a), (b), and (c), which choice would you make if you were a product manager for Apple? Which choice would you make if you were an iPod owner?
- mojuba 18y ago
  raganwald, the only problem here is, that page does not require Google to use iTunes software for viewing the content. This alone is sufficient for banning the web site and removing it from Google's indexes. I used wget.
  - raganwald 18y ago
    "Banning the web site and removing it from Google's indexes." You and I have a very different understanding of why Google does and does not ban web sites. They ban web sites for SEO black hattery. In this case, Apple presents information that people searching Google want to find. Why on Earth would it benefit Google to ban this practice? Are you equating the iTunes application to some sort of drive-by-download malware? If so, please make that point and not frame this as a violation of Google's quasi terms of service. Do you think that Google is unaware of what is happening, that Apple is fooling them? Send them an email and let them know how Apple is tricking their spiders.
    - mojuba 18y ago
      Of course I'm not going to fight the windmills, and sure Google is aware what's happening. What Google's policy is, as I understand it, to index information that's openly available to every host with an IP address. Google wants to see the same content as any other host on the Net can see and that's, you know, pretty much in the spirit of the Internet. Going against these principles means going against the Web and breaking it. Good or bad, designed perfectly or not, and no matter whether the world will become a better place to live thanks to iTunes and Apple, but this is anti-Web.

by mojuba 18y ago

raganwald 18y ago

Have you used iTMS? It does a bunch of stuff not handled by any browser without proprietary plug-ins. So either (a) they have to cut functionality, (b) they have to give you one or more proprietary plug-ins to give you the same functionality in another browser, or (c) provide an application that is also a site-specific web browser, which is what they have done with iTunes. If it is a choice between (a), (b), and (c), which choice would you make if you were a product manager for Apple? Which choice would you make if you were an iPod owner?

mojuba 18y ago
raganwald, the only problem here is, that page does not require Google to use iTunes software for viewing the content. This alone is sufficient for banning the web site and removing it from Google's indexes. I used wget.
- raganwald 18y ago
  "Banning the web site and removing it from Google's indexes." You and I have a very different understanding of why Google does and does not ban web sites. They ban web sites for SEO black hattery. In this case, Apple presents information that people searching Google want to find. Why on Earth would it benefit Google to ban this practice? Are you equating the iTunes application to some sort of drive-by-download malware? If so, please make that point and not frame this as a violation of Google's quasi terms of service. Do you think that Google is unaware of what is happening, that Apple is fooling them? Send them an email and let them know how Apple is tricking their spiders.
  - mojuba 18y ago
    Of course I'm not going to fight the windmills, and sure Google is aware what's happening. What Google's policy is, as I understand it, to index information that's openly available to every host with an IP address. Google wants to see the same content as any other host on the Net can see and that's, you know, pretty much in the spirit of the Internet. Going against these principles means going against the Web and breaking it. Good or bad, designed perfectly or not, and no matter whether the world will become a better place to live thanks to iTunes and Apple, but this is anti-Web.