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I hope someone challenges this in court.
by dannyw 6y ago
I hope someone challenges this in court.
- TedDoesntTalk 6y agoEFF or ACLU, I hope.
- aokiji 6y agoACLU is too busy making anti-Trump propaganda and receiving financing to flame racial tensions to actually do something as useful as that.
- oa335 6y agohttps://www.aclu.org/cases/aclu-v-cbp-foia-case-cbp-and-ice-records-related-use-cell-site-simulator-technology https://www.aclu.org/cases/aclu-v-cbp-foia-case-cbp-and-ice-... I know ACLU has challenged border patrol with other issues also.
- dagmx 6y agoThe ACLU doesn't generate propaganda or take single sided political stances on matters. They defend all sides of the spectrum equally as it pertains to their rights. If you consider it to be anti Trump propaganda, then in all likelihood it means Trump is violating rights. The ACLU is perhaps one of the most non-partisan organizations.
- aokiji 6y agoSorry but we'll have to agree to disagree. Anti-antifa symbols are considered general hate symbols by ACLU: https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/anti-antifa-images https://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/anti-a... Fact: Antifa is a para-military terrorist organization, active in places where destruction took place, such as Portland. Symbols to oppose terrorist organizations like Antifa that act like fascists and destroy livelihoods of hard-working people are not hate. ACLU is biased. ACLU is propaganda.
- sthnblllII 6y agoThe sitting president was elected as a Republican on the promise of deporting foreign nationals living illegally in the United States. Wether you agree or strongly disagree with that policy, how is suing to let them stay “non-partisan”? https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/aclu-sues-over-us-border-policy-of-expelling-migrant-children/ar-BB17YNse https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/aclu-sues-over-us-border-p... EDIT: I’m not arguing about this policy. The fact that 43% of Americans oppose the admittance of central american migrates seeking to claim refugee status makes it a partisan issue. https://news.gallup.com/poll/245624/support-central-american-refugees-exceeds-norm.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/245624/support-central-american...
- SippinLean 6y agoWhy did you oversimplify "unprecedented policy of expelling migrant children from the U.S. southern border without giving them an opportunity to seek humanitarian refuge" to "deporting foreign nationals living illegally?" Because the former is clearly less partisan.
- dagmx 6y agoOut of curiosity, what is your understanding of the rights afforded to individuals within the United States regardless of their legality? Especially with regards to applying for humanitarian refuge legally? The perceived partisanship of this is directly related to what you consider the rights of the people versus what is written in law etc...
- stjohnswarts 6y agoI personally believe that everyone in the USA should be protected via their Constitutionally mandated personal rights. That said there is nothing in the Constitution about giving asylum and that is the mandate of Congress. I personally believe that a well thought out quota system is needed. We can't take everyone in the world who wants to seek asylum here. That's simply not possible. No one who isn't a US citizen has a right to live here, it is strictly up to the US government to say how many in what time span.
- stjohnswarts 6y agoMostly true, but they don't like gun owners in the past decade or so. In for a penny in for a pound you can pick and choose amendments.
- dagmx 6y agoThe ACLU has defended gun owners in the recent past though so I'd like to see cases where they've explicitly chosen to not support gun owners rights https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/new-york-state-cant-be-allowed-stifle-nras-political-speech https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/new-york-state-cant-be... They have a fairly nuanced and IMHO fair take on civil liberties regarding gun rights. I'm sure many second amendment supporters may take issue with their stance, but in my reading, it's quite fair and non partisan. In fact they encourage people on both sides to work together and vote towards clear law on the matter. The ACLU focuses on rights violations not advocacy for extension of rights beyond what is decreed in law. https://www.aclu.org/blog/civil-liberties/mobilization/aclus-position-gun-control https://www.aclu.org/blog/civil-liberties/mobilization/aclus...
- stjohnswarts 6y agoI don't believe they support the individual's right to own a gun beyond what a state or the Federal government allows. The Feds could outlaw individuals rights to own a gun tomorrow and the ACLU wouldn't bat an eye. Check out their position on it. They flat out state it's only for militias and anything beyond that for individuals is not supported Constitutionally (aka left up to state/federal laws to dictate) https://www.aclu.org/other/second-amendment https://www.aclu.org/other/second-amendment. I think this article reasonable says what I'm trying to say much better. https://reason.com/2019/04/12/the-aclu-defends-the-rights-of-gun-owner/ https://reason.com/2019/04/12/the-aclu-defends-the-rights-of...
- Yc4win 6y agoThe ACLU is a complete joke to most people and the least thing from moderate possible. They also can't stand normal people having guns.