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If you care about hearing a serious response, I think most Americans would agree that this protocol is on the wrong side of the line, but at the same time not t

If you care about hearing a serious response, I think most Americans would agree that this protocol is on the wrong side of the line, but at the same time not thoroughly murderous in intent. It sounds like an extreme tactic that should be re-thought, and it is perfectly legal and normal for me to share this opinion or organize votes for change. In China there are “execution vans” with no other purpose even suggested: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van

vmception 6y ago
> In China there are “execution vans” with no other purpose even suggested: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van From your article > Liu was convicted > a reprieve after appealing > given a retrial Your entire article describes convicted death row prisoners, whether we agree with or respect China's due process at all. Why did you think it bolstered your argument to talk about Chinese due process in an article about a lack of due process in the US? beCaUsE wE cAN taLk AbOut iT? that's gold, its really the icing on the cake.
- guscost 6y ago
  You think all the other non-“notable” people executed in one of those things got the appropriate legal protections too? Anyway I’m just trying to say that if you want to apply the most unfriendly interpretation to some happening in America, in order to compare it to “non-American Marxist regimes”, at least be consistent.
  - vmception 6y ago
    > “execution vans” with no other purpose even suggested > article shows purpose suggested with convicted prisoners You presented them as if they just scoop people up off the street and execute them on the spot. No, that's just America. I'm asking you to compare the same things and all you did was present a different thing, masqueraded it as a worse thing, failed to find any comparison. If you want to elevate Chinese processes as a charade, thats pretty much what I would expect you to do, but people get railroaded in the US all the time too. So let's just talk about the things completely devoid of due process, or instead of deflecting we can just talk about how the US does not have a better process at all and we should put it under so much more scrutiny. "We can talk about it" and thats how we got to this outcome, because everyone talked about giving the government all the power, stripping their need for due process, and siding with them by default way too often.
  - pessimizer 6y ago
    > You think all the other non-“notable” people executed in one of those things got the appropriate legal protections too? Why bother even reading up on it if just making things up will work? You think everyone in China is a saint? Why would somebody go through all of the time and expense to execute you if there weren't a reason?
    - jacquesm 6y ago
      > Why would somebody go through all of the time and expense to execute you if there weren't a reason? We'll he's got $50K worth of bullets in him. He must have done something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrFVtmRXrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrFVtmRXrw
vmception 6y ago
For anyone passing by, my flagged comment said: "Agents of the state randomly jumping you, beating you up because of their unilateral and arbitrary determination that you are resisting being randomly jumped, and then injecting you with a sedative and psychoactive so powerful that you die? No, that's a distinctly American version of civil rights. They might also arbitrarily take your property, while everyone gaslights you into thinking that this is a staple of non-American marxist regimes." This was an accurate and a substantive comment which is only guilty of bruising a few egos.

vmception 6y ago

> In China there are “execution vans” with no other purpose even suggested: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Execution_van From your article > Liu was convicted > a reprieve after appealing > given a retrial Your entire article describes convicted death row prisoners, whether we agree with or respect China's due process at all. Why did you think it bolstered your argument to talk about Chinese due process in an article about a lack of due process in the US? beCaUsE wE cAN taLk AbOut iT? that's gold, its really the icing on the cake.

guscost 6y ago
You think all the other non-“notable” people executed in one of those things got the appropriate legal protections too? Anyway I’m just trying to say that if you want to apply the most unfriendly interpretation to some happening in America, in order to compare it to “non-American Marxist regimes”, at least be consistent.
- vmception 6y ago
  > “execution vans” with no other purpose even suggested > article shows purpose suggested with convicted prisoners You presented them as if they just scoop people up off the street and execute them on the spot. No, that's just America. I'm asking you to compare the same things and all you did was present a different thing, masqueraded it as a worse thing, failed to find any comparison. If you want to elevate Chinese processes as a charade, thats pretty much what I would expect you to do, but people get railroaded in the US all the time too. So let's just talk about the things completely devoid of due process, or instead of deflecting we can just talk about how the US does not have a better process at all and we should put it under so much more scrutiny. "We can talk about it" and thats how we got to this outcome, because everyone talked about giving the government all the power, stripping their need for due process, and siding with them by default way too often.
- pessimizer 6y ago
  > You think all the other non-“notable” people executed in one of those things got the appropriate legal protections too? Why bother even reading up on it if just making things up will work? You think everyone in China is a saint? Why would somebody go through all of the time and expense to execute you if there weren't a reason?
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    > Why would somebody go through all of the time and expense to execute you if there weren't a reason? We'll he's got $50K worth of bullets in him. He must have done something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrFVtmRXrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZrFVtmRXrw

vmception 6y ago

For anyone passing by, my flagged comment said: "Agents of the state randomly jumping you, beating you up because of their unilateral and arbitrary determination that you are resisting being randomly jumped, and then injecting you with a sedative and psychoactive so powerful that you die? No, that's a distinctly American version of civil rights. They might also arbitrarily take your property, while everyone gaslights you into thinking that this is a staple of non-American marxist regimes." This was an accurate and a substantive comment which is only guilty of bruising a few egos.