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Surely it's not that hard to understand that for religious, cultural or other reasons some people and/or members of their family may feel uncomfortable seeing n

Surely it's not that hard to understand that for religious, cultural or other reasons some people and/or members of their family may feel uncomfortable seeing nudity.

izacus 6y ago
It doesn't make that viewpoint any less bizarre when our media is filled with people murdering each other on pretty much hourly basis. And it doesn't make a viewpoint that allows killing over depicting our bodies any less worth challenging.
capableweb 6y ago
Yeah, as far as I know, no religions or cultures forbid people to be naked or see other naked people. What other reasons are you referring to here? It is indeed hard for me to understand how someone can feel uncomfortable seeing nudity, as it's everywhere in life and always has been.
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- pmachinery 6y ago
  Nudity isn't "everywhere in life", so what is the point of this, since it's not to start a flame war?
  - capableweb 6y ago
    I take a shower in the morning, nude. I go to the beach, there is nude people. I go to the gym and after taking a shower, nude people. I look at Instagram/Facebook/Any social media, there will be almost nude people, same with ads all over the place. Sometimes I sleep naked too. If you have a family, there is plenty of nudity and can happen at any point. Anyone who raised a child will give you an idea of how much nudity there really is in life.
    - bishalb 6y ago
      That's like saying you are always nude under your clothes so nudity isn't a problem. Nudity in movies is like softcore porn and they often come with bed scenes. Of course if your family is just you and your wife it's fine but I don't think any sane person would consider that ok for kids.
      - ivalm 6y ago
        Why not? I’d definitely be more ok with a soft core scene than some brutal violence. Sex is normal/good part of life. One should educate kids about sex (and when it is appropriate) rather than pretend it literally doesn’t exist.
        bishalb 6y ago
        I would say keep kids away from both. Sex isn't something that needs to be taught, your kids will figure it out when they are ready and old enough.
        ivalm 6y ago
        Yes and no. Teens/young adults will have sex whether you accepts it or not. However, how they do it and how they feel about it definitely depends on education. 1. Sex safety ed needs to be taught, otherwise you get STDs and pregnancies. A couple of hour lecture in school is not enough. Safe sex practices is something that has to be reinforced and encouraged. 2. Respect of consent (and situations where consent cannot happen no matter what either party says) and understanding how to properly express yourself to the opposite sex is extremely important. Our society is full of people who do not treat the opposite gender fairly and do not understand the importance of enthusiastic consent in intimacy. 3. Normalizing sex positive attitude. Many people feel shame from sex/shame others for sexual behavior/repress their own natural desires/etc, this needs to be counterbalanced, especially in a puritanically perverted society like the US.
    - pmachinery 6y ago
      That's not everywhere, it's two examples. Beaches and communal showers. "Almost nude" simply means not nude, and personal, private nudity is obviously different from seeing other people nude. Even if someone doesn't mind seeing naked people in the situations you describe, it still doesn't follow they should therefore be okay with nudity on screen in front of their family.
  - monadic2 6y ago
    Reading the thread, it seems to be trying to explain the double standard with violence.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Religions or cultures don't forbid this in general, but some do for purposes outside of procreation. It's really not "everywhere in life" for most people.
- names_are_hard 6y ago
  You're not very familiar with other religions, then. I was raised in a religious environment that absolutely forbade people to see members of the opposite sex naked except in very specific scenarios (ie married couples, doctors treating patients, and that's about it). This was one of the stated reasons why we couldn't watch TV or movies that weren't strictly vetted first.
terhechte 6y ago
What Kind of Religion would find the depiction of violence and death fine, and the creation of life / nudity “uncomfortable“?
- danielheath 6y ago
  I mean... not to be banal, but... most of them? Certainly all the abrahamic ones are fine with detailed descriptions of violence (have you read the Old Testament).
  - capableweb 6y ago
    Most of religions forbid people to be naked / see other people naked? Please, list some of them, as I'm having a hard time finding which ones do this.
    - yepguy 6y ago
      The Catholic Church insists on modesty, for example. You won't find an outright ban on nudity, because what is considered modest can change depending on culture. However, if you are trying to remain chaste by avoiding pre-marital sex & masturbation, it is not difficult to see how sexually explicit images make that difficult. In fact, pornography is specifically singled out as a crime against chastity. > 2523 There is a modesty of the feelings as well as of the body. It protests, for example, against the voyeuristic explorations of the human body in certain advertisements, or against the solicitations of certain media that go too far in the exhibition of intimate things. Modesty inspires a way of life which makes it possible to resist the allurements of fashion and the pressures of prevailing ideologies. > 2524 The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man. It is born with the awakening consciousness of being a subject. Teaching modesty to children and adolescents means awakening in them respect for the human person. [1] > 2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials. [2] [1]: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a9.htm http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2... [2]: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2...
EugeneOZ 6y ago
These people need to follow rest of civilization and educate themselves.

Surely it's not that hard to understand that for religious, cultural or other reasons some people and/or members of their family may feel uncomfortable seeing nudity.

izacus 6y ago

It doesn't make that viewpoint any less bizarre when our media is filled with people murdering each other on pretty much hourly basis. And it doesn't make a viewpoint that allows killing over depicting our bodies any less worth challenging.

capableweb 6y ago

Yeah, as far as I know, no religions or cultures forbid people to be naked or see other naked people. What other reasons are you referring to here? It is indeed hard for me to understand how someone can feel uncomfortable seeing nudity, as it's everywhere in life and always has been.

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pmachinery 6y ago
Nudity isn't "everywhere in life", so what is the point of this, since it's not to start a flame war?
- capableweb 6y ago
  I take a shower in the morning, nude. I go to the beach, there is nude people. I go to the gym and after taking a shower, nude people. I look at Instagram/Facebook/Any social media, there will be almost nude people, same with ads all over the place. Sometimes I sleep naked too. If you have a family, there is plenty of nudity and can happen at any point. Anyone who raised a child will give you an idea of how much nudity there really is in life.
  - bishalb 6y ago
    That's like saying you are always nude under your clothes so nudity isn't a problem. Nudity in movies is like softcore porn and they often come with bed scenes. Of course if your family is just you and your wife it's fine but I don't think any sane person would consider that ok for kids.
    - ivalm 6y ago
      Why not? I’d definitely be more ok with a soft core scene than some brutal violence. Sex is normal/good part of life. One should educate kids about sex (and when it is appropriate) rather than pretend it literally doesn’t exist.
      - bishalb 6y ago
        I would say keep kids away from both. Sex isn't something that needs to be taught, your kids will figure it out when they are ready and old enough.
        ivalm 6y ago
        Yes and no. Teens/young adults will have sex whether you accepts it or not. However, how they do it and how they feel about it definitely depends on education. 1. Sex safety ed needs to be taught, otherwise you get STDs and pregnancies. A couple of hour lecture in school is not enough. Safe sex practices is something that has to be reinforced and encouraged. 2. Respect of consent (and situations where consent cannot happen no matter what either party says) and understanding how to properly express yourself to the opposite sex is extremely important. Our society is full of people who do not treat the opposite gender fairly and do not understand the importance of enthusiastic consent in intimacy. 3. Normalizing sex positive attitude. Many people feel shame from sex/shame others for sexual behavior/repress their own natural desires/etc, this needs to be counterbalanced, especially in a puritanically perverted society like the US.
  - pmachinery 6y ago
    That's not everywhere, it's two examples. Beaches and communal showers. "Almost nude" simply means not nude, and personal, private nudity is obviously different from seeing other people nude. Even if someone doesn't mind seeing naked people in the situations you describe, it still doesn't follow they should therefore be okay with nudity on screen in front of their family.
- monadic2 6y ago
  Reading the thread, it seems to be trying to explain the double standard with violence.
saagarjha 6y ago
Religions or cultures don't forbid this in general, but some do for purposes outside of procreation. It's really not "everywhere in life" for most people.
names_are_hard 6y ago
You're not very familiar with other religions, then. I was raised in a religious environment that absolutely forbade people to see members of the opposite sex naked except in very specific scenarios (ie married couples, doctors treating patients, and that's about it). This was one of the stated reasons why we couldn't watch TV or movies that weren't strictly vetted first.

terhechte 6y ago

What Kind of Religion would find the depiction of violence and death fine, and the creation of life / nudity “uncomfortable“?

danielheath 6y ago
I mean... not to be banal, but... most of them? Certainly all the abrahamic ones are fine with detailed descriptions of violence (have you read the Old Testament).
- capableweb 6y ago
  Most of religions forbid people to be naked / see other people naked? Please, list some of them, as I'm having a hard time finding which ones do this.
  - yepguy 6y ago
    The Catholic Church insists on modesty, for example. You won't find an outright ban on nudity, because what is considered modest can change depending on culture. However, if you are trying to remain chaste by avoiding pre-marital sex & masturbation, it is not difficult to see how sexually explicit images make that difficult. In fact, pornography is specifically singled out as a crime against chastity. > 2523 There is a modesty of the feelings as well as of the body. It protests, for example, against the voyeuristic explorations of the human body in certain advertisements, or against the solicitations of certain media that go too far in the exhibition of intimate things. Modesty inspires a way of life which makes it possible to resist the allurements of fashion and the pressures of prevailing ideologies. > 2524 The forms taken by modesty vary from one culture to another. Everywhere, however, modesty exists as an intuition of the spiritual dignity proper to man. It is born with the awakening consciousness of being a subject. Teaching modesty to children and adolescents means awakening in them respect for the human person. [1] > 2354 Pornography consists in removing real or simulated sexual acts from the intimacy of the partners, in order to display them deliberately to third parties. It offends against chastity because it perverts the conjugal act, the intimate giving of spouses to each other. It does grave injury to the dignity of its participants (actors, vendors, the public), since each one becomes an object of base pleasure and illicit profit for others. It immerses all who are involved in the illusion of a fantasy world. It is a grave offense. Civil authorities should prevent the production and distribution of pornographic materials. [2] [1]: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a9.htm http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2... [2]: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c2a6.htm http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2...

EugeneOZ 6y ago

These people need to follow rest of civilization and educate themselves.