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If you want to make videos family friendly, it's probably better to aim for removing violence than nudity, as one is clearly worse for the psych than the other.

If you want to make videos family friendly, it's probably better to aim for removing violence than nudity, as one is clearly worse for the psych than the other. Expansion: how are nude scenes not family friendly? Not trying to start any flame wars here, just trying to understand how one or two scenes with nudity suddenly means the video is not family friendly? We all go through life seeing nudity, so should be fine. Violence however is something we both strive and should avoid as much as possible.

skrause 6y ago
> Expansion: how are nude scenes not family friendly? The answer is "American Prudery".
- pledg 6y ago
  See also American TV where you can show pretty extreme violence but not swear.
  - zodiakzz 6y ago
    Gore-filled cartoons censoring/hiding the female nipple always gets me.
    - wlesieutre 6y ago
      On that note, did you see this? https://www.indy100.com/article/instagram-is-flummoxed-by-mens-nipples-photoshopped-on-to-womens-bodies--b1sp7KtYzl https://www.indy100.com/article/instagram-is-flummoxed-by-me...
- chance_state 6y ago
  No, not really. Most people don't want to watch graphic sex scenes with their parents. It's not a "muh America" issue.
  - konart 6y ago
    > Most people don't want to watch graphic sex scenes with their parents. Teenagers don't, obviously. But when you are 30+ and you are watching a movie with your father or mother - none of you is embarrassed by it typically. Exactly because for grown-ups it's just sex. And anyway - how many movies you can name with graphic sex scenes that are now porno? I can think of barely 2 or 3 maybe
pmachinery 6y ago
Surely it's not that hard to understand that for religious, cultural or other reasons some people and/or members of their family may feel uncomfortable seeing nudity.
- izacus 6y ago
  It doesn't make that viewpoint any less bizarre when our media is filled with people murdering each other on pretty much hourly basis. And it doesn't make a viewpoint that allows killing over depicting our bodies any less worth challenging.
- capableweb 6y ago
  Yeah, as far as I know, no religions or cultures forbid people to be naked or see other naked people. What other reasons are you referring to here? It is indeed hard for me to understand how someone can feel uncomfortable seeing nudity, as it's everywhere in life and always has been.
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  - pmachinery 6y ago
    Nudity isn't "everywhere in life", so what is the point of this, since it's not to start a flame war?
    - capableweb 6y ago
      I take a shower in the morning, nude. I go to the beach, there is nude people. I go to the gym and after taking a shower, nude people. I look at Instagram/Facebook/Any social media, there will be almost nude people, same with ads all over the place. Sometimes I sleep naked too. If you have a family, there is plenty of nudity and can happen at any point. Anyone who raised a child will give you an idea of how much nudity there really is in life.
      - 6y ago
shubb 6y ago
That's starting from the assumption you are doing this to engineer your children ands psychology. Actually I think a lot of people find it awkward to watch graphic sex scenes and extended nudity with their family. As a grown up, the I feel awkward watching parts of game of thrones with my parents. That's a shame because I would like to watch this show with them. Lately a lot of major TV shows seem to aim to include one nude scene per episode - I guess the money people think that's what sells... I can understand why some people might find violence equally difficult, but where it features it tends to be much more tied to the plot.
- schrijver 6y ago
  Right, but doesn’t this awkwardness come from you growing up in a culture (I assume U.S.) where depictions of nudity are taboo? If this taboo wouldn’t have existed for you as a kid I’m not so sure the awkwardness would exist for you as an adult. As a sample size of 1, coming from a country where there is much less of a taboo I feel very differently on this topic.
null_deref 6y ago
Why not both? You could also argue that repeatedly seeing the most beautiful actors in the business nude, can hurt a teenager self image pretty badly, or that learning about sex from movies is probably not the best idea.
- sjwright 6y ago
  IMHO it’s not sex that’s the real problem for teenagers, but rather extreme sexualisation. And that doesn’t require nudity.
  - null_deref 6y ago
    Yes, I agree, nudity is not always over sexualized, and I too, recognize the problem is sexualization.
goda90 6y ago
Lots of nudity in film is of a sexual nature. Uncontrolled exposure to fictional depictions of sex could create unhealthy understanding of sex in children that parents want to avoid. Hence not family friendly. I'm not saying most in film violence is either, but that's the reason. One film I think of in this regard is Schindler's List. I've seen both the original and the TV edit that Spielberg made to broadcast for teenagers to see. The primary edits I noticed were sex scenes and post-sex nudity. Those scenes weren't gratuitous(they showed something about the characters) or anything, but were edited(either cut or blacked out part of the frame). BUT there was still lots of nudity in the edited film. This was nudity of a different nature. People forced to strip down and paraded in the open for inspection. Sometimes parents just want to take the easy path and consider all nudity as out of bounds for their kids. I think that's fine.
- heavenlyblue 6y ago
  > Sometimes parents just want to take the easy path and consider all nudity as out of bounds for their kids. Sometimes parents consider vaccinations to be out of bounds for their kids, too.
- dirtnugget 6y ago
  I would generally put Schindlers List onto the "not-so-family-friendly"-list. It’s educational I guess but I wouldn’t want to show it to anyone below 16. And after that the nudity should be fine.
  - kube-system 6y ago
    FWIW, my local secondary school here in the US has no issues showing Schindlers List to students in class. But this attitude isn’t something that would extend to a movie with nudity of a sexual or casual nature.
    - dirtnugget 6y ago
      They have no issues about showing that because the primary actor of violence was not their own state. Do they show footage of Guantanamo Bay or Abu-Ghuraib in secondary school? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/AbuGhraibScandalGraner55.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/AbuGhrai... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Abu-ghraib-leash.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Abu-ghra...
umvi 6y ago
Because it's awkward getting sexually aroused in front of family members?
dang 6y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24251297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24251297.

skrause 6y ago

> Expansion: how are nude scenes not family friendly? The answer is "American Prudery".

pledg 6y ago
See also American TV where you can show pretty extreme violence but not swear.
- zodiakzz 6y ago
  Gore-filled cartoons censoring/hiding the female nipple always gets me.
  - wlesieutre 6y ago
    On that note, did you see this? https://www.indy100.com/article/instagram-is-flummoxed-by-mens-nipples-photoshopped-on-to-womens-bodies--b1sp7KtYzl https://www.indy100.com/article/instagram-is-flummoxed-by-me...
chance_state 6y ago
No, not really. Most people don't want to watch graphic sex scenes with their parents. It's not a "muh America" issue.
- konart 6y ago
  > Most people don't want to watch graphic sex scenes with their parents. Teenagers don't, obviously. But when you are 30+ and you are watching a movie with your father or mother - none of you is embarrassed by it typically. Exactly because for grown-ups it's just sex. And anyway - how many movies you can name with graphic sex scenes that are now porno? I can think of barely 2 or 3 maybe

pmachinery 6y ago

Surely it's not that hard to understand that for religious, cultural or other reasons some people and/or members of their family may feel uncomfortable seeing nudity.

izacus 6y ago
It doesn't make that viewpoint any less bizarre when our media is filled with people murdering each other on pretty much hourly basis. And it doesn't make a viewpoint that allows killing over depicting our bodies any less worth challenging.
capableweb 6y ago
Yeah, as far as I know, no religions or cultures forbid people to be naked or see other naked people. What other reasons are you referring to here? It is indeed hard for me to understand how someone can feel uncomfortable seeing nudity, as it's everywhere in life and always has been.
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- pmachinery 6y ago
  Nudity isn't "everywhere in life", so what is the point of this, since it's not to start a flame war?
  - capableweb 6y ago
    I take a shower in the morning, nude. I go to the beach, there is nude people. I go to the gym and after taking a shower, nude people. I look at Instagram/Facebook/Any social media, there will be almost nude people, same with ads all over the place. Sometimes I sleep naked too. If you have a family, there is plenty of nudity and can happen at any point. Anyone who raised a child will give you an idea of how much nudity there really is in life.
    - 6y ago

shubb 6y ago

That's starting from the assumption you are doing this to engineer your children ands psychology. Actually I think a lot of people find it awkward to watch graphic sex scenes and extended nudity with their family. As a grown up, the I feel awkward watching parts of game of thrones with my parents. That's a shame because I would like to watch this show with them. Lately a lot of major TV shows seem to aim to include one nude scene per episode - I guess the money people think that's what sells... I can understand why some people might find violence equally difficult, but where it features it tends to be much more tied to the plot.

schrijver 6y ago
Right, but doesn’t this awkwardness come from you growing up in a culture (I assume U.S.) where depictions of nudity are taboo? If this taboo wouldn’t have existed for you as a kid I’m not so sure the awkwardness would exist for you as an adult. As a sample size of 1, coming from a country where there is much less of a taboo I feel very differently on this topic.

null_deref 6y ago

Why not both? You could also argue that repeatedly seeing the most beautiful actors in the business nude, can hurt a teenager self image pretty badly, or that learning about sex from movies is probably not the best idea.

sjwright 6y ago
IMHO it’s not sex that’s the real problem for teenagers, but rather extreme sexualisation. And that doesn’t require nudity.
- null_deref 6y ago
  Yes, I agree, nudity is not always over sexualized, and I too, recognize the problem is sexualization.

goda90 6y ago

Lots of nudity in film is of a sexual nature. Uncontrolled exposure to fictional depictions of sex could create unhealthy understanding of sex in children that parents want to avoid. Hence not family friendly. I'm not saying most in film violence is either, but that's the reason. One film I think of in this regard is Schindler's List. I've seen both the original and the TV edit that Spielberg made to broadcast for teenagers to see. The primary edits I noticed were sex scenes and post-sex nudity. Those scenes weren't gratuitous(they showed something about the characters) or anything, but were edited(either cut or blacked out part of the frame). BUT there was still lots of nudity in the edited film. This was nudity of a different nature. People forced to strip down and paraded in the open for inspection. Sometimes parents just want to take the easy path and consider all nudity as out of bounds for their kids. I think that's fine.

heavenlyblue 6y ago
> Sometimes parents just want to take the easy path and consider all nudity as out of bounds for their kids. Sometimes parents consider vaccinations to be out of bounds for their kids, too.
dirtnugget 6y ago
I would generally put Schindlers List onto the "not-so-family-friendly"-list. It’s educational I guess but I wouldn’t want to show it to anyone below 16. And after that the nudity should be fine.
- kube-system 6y ago
  FWIW, my local secondary school here in the US has no issues showing Schindlers List to students in class. But this attitude isn’t something that would extend to a movie with nudity of a sexual or casual nature.
  - dirtnugget 6y ago
    They have no issues about showing that because the primary actor of violence was not their own state. Do they show footage of Guantanamo Bay or Abu-Ghuraib in secondary school? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/AbuGhraibScandalGraner55.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/AbuGhrai... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Abu-ghraib-leash.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Abu-ghra...

umvi 6y ago

Because it's awkward getting sexually aroused in front of family members?

dang 6y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24251297 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24251297.