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Apple is being what Microsoft was a decade back. It's only a matter of time when people start hating them so much, it'd cost them the next decade.

luckylion 6y ago
Microsoft didn't have a cult following though, they're coming from very different directions. There wasn't any cognitive dissonance by Microsoft users, using a Microsoft product wasn't ever part of anyone's personal identity.
- jfax 6y ago
  I knew one dude, who was possibly autistic, seriously made Microsoft products a part of his identity.
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kevingadd 6y ago
Did Microsoft ever go in hard on trademark enforcement like Apple has always done with its logo and brand? I guess it's unavoidable to a degree given how generic the 'Apple' name and associated iconography are, but I'm having trouble thinking of MS equivalents other than the 'mike rowe' stuff.
- Zenst 6y ago
  Maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Lindows.com,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Lindows.com....
- diego_moita 6y ago
  The toolkit wxWidgets[0] was previously called wxWindows. Microsoft bribed them to change name. Ironically that's what sustained the project for a long time. [0] http://wxwidgets.org/ http://wxwidgets.org/
  - VZ 6y ago
    Wow, you have some interesting sources (care to share them?). Microsoft _forced_ us to change the name, threatening unspecified but dire legal consequences if we didn't. They have never sustained anything at all.
    - diego_moita 6y ago
      > you have some interesting sources (care to share them?) The wxWidgets site explains what I wrote: https://wxwidgets.org/about/name-change/ https://wxwidgets.org/about/name-change/ It doesn't say anything about _forced_ and does mention explicitly a financial compensation used to sustain the project.
      - hluska 6y ago
        Good reply!! :)
      - VZ 6y ago
        I've completely forgotten about this page of the site, but it's nothing but polite fiction. We didn't really have any choice in the matter, it was that or be dragged in court by Microsoft lawyers and after spending some of my own money (and I was a student back then, so it wasn't a small amount for me) on a consultation, I was told in no uncertain terms that this wouldn't result in a good outcome irrespectively of whether we could use "wxWindows" as the name or not. As for "modest financial compensation", it was really modest and was meant to compensate for registrar fees/changing hosting/stuff like that. It was a couple of thousands at most, I think, nowhere near enough to sustain anything for any period of time.
    - hluska 6y ago
      You could have made this exact point in a far more friendly way and earned friends/supporters. This type of reply merely makes me want to avoid everything you’re involved in.
      - VZ 6y ago

luckylion 6y ago

Microsoft didn't have a cult following though, they're coming from very different directions. There wasn't any cognitive dissonance by Microsoft users, using a Microsoft product wasn't ever part of anyone's personal identity.

jfax 6y ago
I knew one dude, who was possibly autistic, seriously made Microsoft products a part of his identity.

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kevingadd 6y ago

Did Microsoft ever go in hard on trademark enforcement like Apple has always done with its logo and brand? I guess it's unavoidable to a degree given how generic the 'Apple' name and associated iconography are, but I'm having trouble thinking of MS equivalents other than the 'mike rowe' stuff.

Zenst 6y ago
Maybe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Lindows.com,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Corp._v._Lindows.com....
diego_moita 6y ago
The toolkit wxWidgets[0] was previously called wxWindows. Microsoft bribed them to change name. Ironically that's what sustained the project for a long time. [0] http://wxwidgets.org/ http://wxwidgets.org/
- VZ 6y ago
  Wow, you have some interesting sources (care to share them?). Microsoft _forced_ us to change the name, threatening unspecified but dire legal consequences if we didn't. They have never sustained anything at all.
  - diego_moita 6y ago
    > you have some interesting sources (care to share them?) The wxWidgets site explains what I wrote: https://wxwidgets.org/about/name-change/ https://wxwidgets.org/about/name-change/ It doesn't say anything about _forced_ and does mention explicitly a financial compensation used to sustain the project.
    - hluska 6y ago
      Good reply!! :)
    - VZ 6y ago
      I've completely forgotten about this page of the site, but it's nothing but polite fiction. We didn't really have any choice in the matter, it was that or be dragged in court by Microsoft lawyers and after spending some of my own money (and I was a student back then, so it wasn't a small amount for me) on a consultation, I was told in no uncertain terms that this wouldn't result in a good outcome irrespectively of whether we could use "wxWindows" as the name or not. As for "modest financial compensation", it was really modest and was meant to compensate for registrar fees/changing hosting/stuff like that. It was a couple of thousands at most, I think, nowhere near enough to sustain anything for any period of time.
  - hluska 6y ago
    You could have made this exact point in a far more friendly way and earned friends/supporters. This type of reply merely makes me want to avoid everything you’re involved in.
    - VZ 6y ago