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> Utilitarian utopia for demons Are you a demon? If you go to hell and you see hundreds delighting in your pain, would you say to yourself, yes I may be tortur

by Ygg2 6y ago

> Utilitarian utopia for demons Are you a demon? If you go to hell and you see hundreds delighting in your pain, would you say to yourself, yes I may be tortured for eternity, but my pain definitely makes someone happy. Or would you be pissed so many are enjoying your pain. > People are happy; they get what they want, and they never want what they can't get. Heimholtz. Also they make people like that, they kill their ambition through breeding and mental control. And even then, it's not perfect. > what losses are there to mourn All these systems assume things don't change. Things always change. Either through evolution or changes on a cosmic scale. Imagine for a second, meteor hits the main soma production center. Hundreds killed, thousands left without their drug. Or a rogue solar flare, fries any and all machines. What then? Or, by freak of nature soma allergic or soma immune individual appeared. Unless humans have God-like insight, do they know that one version of protein won't cause another protein to fit neatly into a Soma looking hole. There are always things to mourn, the novel doesn't show them correctly.

082349872349872 6y ago
For the demon's point of view, I guess I'll have to reread The Screwtape Letters. > > they never want what they can't get. > Also they make people like that, they kill their ambition through breeding and mental control. I admit they're more advanced than we have been, but how different is "I'm really awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard." from camels and needle eyes? It may be more efficient for alphas to wear grey and deltas to wear khaki, but we can still trivially recognise the difference between the likely ambitions of the people depicted in https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/78/71/0278718a44733e6a05c5c54a3043e5b2.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/78/71/0278718a44733e6a05c5... and https://scontent.fqls1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/88175441_1108859606126753_3110487355249655808_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=6e5ad9&_nc_ohc=xFkCz9MtKzwAX_rgPWY&_nc_ht=scontent.fqls1-1.fna&oh=52797296f7700c5d2e104114a808d6ed&oe=5F697E4A https://scontent.fqls1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/88175441_110... thanks to thousands of repetitions[1] of our lessons in childhood... The US may be finer-grained than the BNW: instead of having only 5 castes α β γ etc. they use nine-digit post codes to indicate their socioeconomic status. (then again, there was "on Wednesdays we wear pink.") Mond: "Degrade him from what position? As a happy, hard-working, goods-consuming citizen he's perfect. Of course, if you choose some other standard than ours, then perhaps you might say he was degraded. But you've got to stick to one set of postulates. You can't play Electro-magnetic Golf according to the rules of Centrifugal Bumble-puppy." [1] I was once reading a description of big community feasts in pakistan, in which it was described that the local landlords don't dress any differently from their tenants, but visiting elite do dress fancy, to gain admission to the VIP tent. It sounded very similar to the dress code of a Midland TX BBQ. "I'm glad I'm a Beta", sung in yank: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLyqUuXrXkw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLyqUuXrXkw

by Ygg2 6y ago

082349872349872 6y ago

For the demon's point of view, I guess I'll have to reread The Screwtape Letters. > > they never want what they can't get. > Also they make people like that, they kill their ambition through breeding and mental control. I admit they're more advanced than we have been, but how different is "I'm really awfully glad I'm a Beta, because I don't work so hard." from camels and needle eyes? It may be more efficient for alphas to wear grey and deltas to wear khaki, but we can still trivially recognise the difference between the likely ambitions of the people depicted in https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/78/71/0278718a44733e6a05c5c54a3043e5b2.jpg https://i.pinimg.com/originals/02/78/71/0278718a44733e6a05c5... and https://scontent.fqls1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/88175441_1108859606126753_3110487355249655808_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=6e5ad9&_nc_ohc=xFkCz9MtKzwAX_rgPWY&_nc_ht=scontent.fqls1-1.fna&oh=52797296f7700c5d2e104114a808d6ed&oe=5F697E4A https://scontent.fqls1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/88175441_110... thanks to thousands of repetitions[1] of our lessons in childhood... The US may be finer-grained than the BNW: instead of having only 5 castes α β γ etc. they use nine-digit post codes to indicate their socioeconomic status. (then again, there was "on Wednesdays we wear pink.") Mond: "Degrade him from what position? As a happy, hard-working, goods-consuming citizen he's perfect. Of course, if you choose some other standard than ours, then perhaps you might say he was degraded. But you've got to stick to one set of postulates. You can't play Electro-magnetic Golf according to the rules of Centrifugal Bumble-puppy." [1] I was once reading a description of big community feasts in pakistan, in which it was described that the local landlords don't dress any differently from their tenants, but visiting elite do dress fancy, to gain admission to the VIP tent. It sounded very similar to the dress code of a Midland TX BBQ. "I'm glad I'm a Beta", sung in yank: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLyqUuXrXkw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLyqUuXrXkw